[Brighton] Graham Potter

[Easy 10]

Having looked up some past managers, it's staggering that Southgate is the second most capped manager we've had (not counting caretakers). He was an OK player but not a world beater - pretty much how you'd describe him as a manager, I suppose

Who was the most capped manager then. Keegan ?

 

[maltaseagull]

Well according to some here, GP should be gone. In fact some would rather have Eddie Howe or Steve McClaren!

I agree with you they’ll be interest. People have started to take notice of what GP is doing here.

Which clubs would go for Potter though?

Top 4? Nah. He’s not trendy enough.
Bottom half? Why leave us for a side step.
The clubs that we may be concerned about would be Spurs or Arsenal. I think our biggest threat long term actually is the England job.

But as he’s a good fit for us, we’re a perfect club for him as well. It’s a long term project with an infrastructure built to support him, an incredible academy and even more importantly we have a supportive owner.

I think that GP is not suited to the England job.
He builds team spirit and coaches the players into a style of play he wants.
He would never have the time to do that with an England squad and would also possibly fail to get many of the England "stars" with huge egos to go along with his style.

He would need to go to a bigger club with a longer term plan and as,has been said previously on this thread, not many PL clubs will agree to that.
Spurs will want a trophy in a season or two at most. (Apparently, their trophy cabinet is for sale )

 

[andy1980]

Yes. Sort of. That was natural squad evolution that always happens.

I am talking about fan fantasy squad building - particularly the fantasies about shipping out our best assets en masse and asap !

I don't think anyone is saying en mass. I would like to see Bissouma and White sold IF the right offers come in as I think we already have their replacements. For instance if we sold White then I believe we could convince Ostigard to stay and fight for his place in the first team. If Bissouma is sold then Caicedo could thrive and so the conveyor belt goes on.

I would also like to see the money we have lost from covid over the last couple of seasons recouped by selling players rather than relying on Uncle Tony.

 

[Icy Gull]

Who was the most capped manager then. Keegan ?

Stuart Pearce

 

[Guinness Boy]

No in the cold light of day bigger clubs are only interested in results not projects and he has achieved nothing so far.

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This. The irony is that his under achievement in the most noticeable measure of success is what will keep him here.

Having looked up some past managers, it's staggering that Southgate is the second most capped manager we've had (not counting caretakers). He was an OK player but not a world beater - pretty much how you'd describe him as a manager, I suppose

Yep. A very bright start, taking the Allerdyce years by the scruff of the neck, introducing wing backs and getting as far as he could through a spectacularly easy World Cup draw in 2018. Since then he's reacted to a squad that is absolutely stuffed with talented young CAMs, talented quick right backs and Harry Kane by filling the other positions with absolutely awful keepers and centre backs and protecting them with Rice and Phillips. He's become Mr Bland Safety First, which is shocking when you think about how much English talent is around right now.

 

[Gwylan]

Who was the most capped manager then. Keegan ?

If you're talking permanent managers, yes. But if you're counting caretakers, it's Pearce.

But it's staggering to realise that Southgate got more caps than Hoddle (probably the most talented English footballer I've ever seen), Capello and Robson

 

[Lifelong Supporter]

I believe GP thrives in coaching and improving players. I am not sure he is the one to deal with the egos and work with players who have already got to the top. I am not sure he would enjoy a job with a top 6 club. He is unlikely to leave for one.

 

[Swansman]

No in the cold light of day bigger clubs are only interested in results not projects and he has achieved nothing so far.

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This. The irony is that his under achievement in the most noticeable measure of success is what will keep him here.

Its just really "under achievement" here, no one else expect Brighton to be anywhere else in the table.

As for "only interested in results"... Frank Lampard (gone now but at the time of his appointment), Mikel Arteta, OGS - all of them are less experienced managers than GP and with very few "results" to back them up. There's more than just results when they pick their managers. Reputation, style of football, public/shareholder opinion... all of which are making GP more likely to be the manager of a big club, compared to someone like Dyche who has arguably produced more impressive results. The Manchester United appoinment of David Moyes killed the idea that all that matters is results, because that does not always translate into the same thing in a bigger club. Style of football however is much sought after.

 

[Lethargic]

Its just really "under achievement" here, no one else expect Brighton to be anywhere else in the table.

As for "only interested in results"... Frank Lampard (gone now but at the time of his appointment), Mikel Arteta, OGS - all of them are less experienced managers than GP and with very few "results" to back them up. There's more than just results when they pick their managers. Reputation, style of football, public/shareholder opinion... all of which are making GP more likely to be the manager of a big club, compared to someone like Dyche who has arguably produced more impressive results. The Manchester United appoinment of David Moyes killed the idea that all that matters is results, because that does not always translate into the same thing in a bigger club. Style of football however is much sought after.

Sorry we will have to agree to disagree I don't think Graham is underachieving here although I think we need to see more tangible progress next year but for me he is on the big boys radar but they will not take the risk until he achieved something more than surviving relegation. You use Moyes as an example but he did his thing at Preston and Everton for year before his jump to United and he only got that gig as a mate of Ferguson. You sight Frank L but to me that is a perfect example of results are everything.

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[Mellotron]

A season or two too early for this. Hasn't achieved anything tangible with us just yet, and I say that as someone who rates him as having very high potential as a manager.

 

[Easy 10]

If you're talking permanent managers, yes. But if you're counting caretakers, it's Pearce.

But it's staggering to realise that Southgate got more caps than Hoddle (probably the most talented English footballer I've ever seen), Capello and Robson

Thats a very 'english' thing though isn't it. Pure talent like that is never trusted (will he track back ? etc), whereas a good honest stopper will always be selected on a regular basis.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Its just really "under achievement" here, no one else expect Brighton to be anywhere else in the table.

Except that it's been a consistent theme of pundits that we should be higher in the table and have dropped some fairly shocking points, not to mention that we are in contention for "xG Europe" and this is very often mentioned on Twitter et al.

Any pundit or writer who took the time to compare the current squad to the one Chris Hughton used in our first Premier League season would have to come to the conclusion that Potter has many better players at his disposal. If you're going to say that his 10th with Swansea was a relative success as that was their weakest squad then you have to accept that Potter has relatively underachieved by finishing 15th or 16th yet again (of course, we still might not, and if it's higher then the sharks may circle). Pundits and writers don't do this because Brighton do not shift copy. Liverpool, Man United and Leeds shift copy. Still....

As for "only interested in results"... Frank Lampard (gone now but at the time of his appointment), Mikel Arteta, OGS - all of them are less experienced managers than GP and with very few "results" to back them up. There's more than just results when they pick their managers. Reputation, style of football, public/shareholder opinion... all of which are making GP more likely to be the manager of a big club, compared to someone like Dyche who has arguably produced more impressive results. The Manchester United appoinment of David Moyes killed the idea that all that matters is results, because that does not always translate into the same thing in a bigger club. Style of football however is much sought after.

....when you get your userID approved for Blue Moon I'd avoid the username "BrightonMan" if I were you, and probably best not to suggest a sex dungeon as that might not go down well in the Middle East.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Aidy Boothroyd is avalable.

 

[Perkino]

Eddie Howe

3 promotions
LMA Manager of the Decade
LMA Manager of the Year
LMA Championship Manager of the Year
Premier league finishes of 16th, 12th, 14th, 18th (relegated on goal difference after Villa were saved by VAR

Graham Potter

Premier league finishes of 15th and tbc

This is like comparing Duffy with Webster or Knockaert with Trossard or Stephens with Bissouma when they arrived. The former having plenty of experience and the others having lots of promise. I don't know many fans who would want Howe over Potter

 

[Swansman]

Except that it's been a consistent theme of pundits that we should be higher in the table and have dropped some fairly shocking points, not to mention that we are in contention for "xG Europe" and this is very often mentioned on Twitter et al.

Any pundit or writer who took the time to compare the current squad to the one Chris Hughton used in our first Premier League season would have to come to the conclusion that Potter has many better players at his disposal. If you're going to say that his 10th with Swansea was a relative success as that was their weakest squad then you have to accept that Potter has relatively underachieved by finishing 15th or 16th yet again (of course, we still might not, and if it's higher then the sharks may circle). Pundits and writers don't do this because Brighton do not shift copy. Liverpool, Man United and Leeds shift copy. Still....



....when you get your userID approved for Blue Moon I'd avoid the username "BrightonMan" if I were you, and probably best not to suggest a sex dungeon as that might not go down well in the Middle East.

Should be higher because the team is playing well yes, not because of the perception of the quality of the squad. I agree Potters squad is at least slightly better in terms of quality (experience however is also important and the CH squad had more players where you know they would perform reasonably well every week) but he keeping Brighton up was more overachievement from him and his side rather than the current 15th or 16th being "underachieving".

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Except that it's been a consistent theme of pundits that we should be higher in the table and have dropped some fairly shocking points, not to mention that we are in contention for "xG Europe" and this is very often mentioned on Twitter et al.

Any pundit or writer who took the time to compare the current squad to the one Chris Hughton used in our first Premier League season would have to come to the conclusion that Potter has many better players at his disposal. If you're going to say that his 10th with Swansea was a relative success as that was their weakest squad then you have to accept that Potter has relatively underachieved by finishing 15th or 16th yet again (of course, we still might not, and if it's higher then the sharks may circle). Pundits and writers don't do this because Brighton do not shift copy. Liverpool, Man United and Leeds shift copy. Still....



....when you get your userID approved for Blue Moon I'd avoid the username "BrightonMan" if I were you, and probably best not to suggest a sex dungeon as that might not go down well in the Middle East.

Because we have been playing so well - not through expectations of the squad we have.

To be fair to GP, this little pandemic thing has been quite a thing for sides to come to terms with. You cannot just write off that it impacts everyone the same. CH had a very decent squad that first season. When you're an unknown quantity you can take a league by surprise just with the momentum of promotion – see Sheff Utd, Huddersfield etc. The 2nd season can catch you out which it very nearly did us too.

15th was a respectable finish last season, above both Villa and West Ham, our highest finish, points total, most goals, lowest GD.

Not sure I can give much credit regarding underachieving when we finished above some good squads and sides last season, and may well do the same. You've just unfortunately got this stake in the ground regarding the manager that you're tied to with a short bit of rope. Let the slack out a bit and you might end up seeing things a bit more positively rather than just being on the defensive regarding what other people think about him.

 

[Machiavelli]

Who was the most capped manager then. Keegan ?

Allardyce

 

[rippleman]

What on earth has someone's playing career got to do with their ability to manage?

Dunno. Ask the numptey who yesterday said on here that they didn't want Karen Carney commenting on mens football as she had never played mens football. I dont think any EPL officials have ever played professional football either.

Back to the point, after Wednesday night I'm beginning to wonder if Potter is a genius. Klopp is copying him now. Sends out a team playing great football, having all the possession and creating numerous chances but can't hit a barn door. There might be something in this.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Back to the point, after Wednesday night I'm beginning to wonder if Potter is a genius. Klopp is copying him now. Sends out a team playing great football, having all the possession and creating numerous chances but can't hit a barn door. There might be something in this.

Yes, ultimately players score goals, not managers.

 

[albionalex]

This is like comparing Duffy with Webster or Knockaert with Trossard or Stephens with Bissouma when they arrived. The former having plenty of experience and the others having lots of promise. I don't know many fans who would want Howe over Potter

So I guess we shouldn't ever compare proven winners with unproven managers then?

I also don't know many fans who would want Howe over Potter.