Gove OUT in cabinet reshuffle

[Bold Seagull]

Again. I am genuinely interested in the reasons that the teachers hate Gove. From what I gather it is either pay/pensions, old fashioned books, too much work. I would really like to know.

If you'd really like to know, why don't you read a few articles, have a nose around the internet? You seem to have a lot to say on a subject you're seemingly admitting you know very little about.

 

[East Preston Gull]

If you'd really like to know, why don't you read a few articles, have a nose around the internet? You seem to have a lot to say on a subject you're seemingly admitting you know very little about.

All I see is grown adults parading round London with Gove out, We hate Gove, Gove this and that, death to the tories, socialist workers against the toffs. It is not very grown up. I read articles in the mail, guardian, teachers.org, and it is all a bit pathetic. The evil one has gone and let's just hope teachers will get on and teach instead of moaning about the rough deal they are getting. We are all suffering, but some still get a pay rise, decent pension and up to 13 wks holiday.Enjoy.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

All I see is grown adults parading round London with Gove out, We hate Gove, Gove this and that, death to the tories, socialist workers against the toffs. It is not very grown up. I read articles in the mail, guardian, teachers.org, and it is all a bit pathetic. The evil one has gone and let's just hope teachers will get on and teach instead of moaning about the rough deal they are getting. We are all suffering, but some still get a pay rise, decent pension and up to 13 wks holiday.Enjoy.

In my experience, teachers (and others, it isn't just teachers) don't like:

His dogmatic approach to pushing through his agenda on things like Free Schools, which to most people are a disaster and throwing money at middle class parents to gain their votes.
Are less than enthusiastic (to say the least) about Academies, and the way in which many schools are being bullied in to being academies when it is not actually the best solution for them.
The arrogant public-school attitude that private education is best - if my wife, who is principal of an educational establishment in Southampton, had £27,000 per student to spend rather than just over £4,000, she would be able to achieve miracles.
His assertion that he knows all about education, when he actually knows feck all about how children and young people learn best, the theories of education and learning and so on.
His insistence on learning BRITISH History and BRITISH literature, which is purely and simply dogmatic and what makes him the darling of the dyed in the wool Tory heartlands.

Need I go on. It is certainly not just about pay and pensions. I heard someone on the radio at lunchtime say that he will go down as the best Conservative Education Minister ever. I am 100% positive that history will prove that statement totally wrong, because education in this country is out of control and going to get worse BECAUSE of Gove, and any quality that remains will be the result of a highly skilled, dedicated and capable profession.

Rant Over, I feel better for that.

 

[Tubby Mondays]

All I see is grown adults parading round London with Gove out, We hate Gove, Gove this and that, death to the tories, socialist workers against the toffs. It is not very grown up. I read articles in the mail, guardian, teachers.org, and it is all a bit pathetic. The evil one has gone and let's just hope teachers will get on and teach instead of moaning about the rough deal they are getting. We are all suffering, but some still get a pay rise, decent pension and up to 13 wks holiday.Enjoy.

All you see?

What once every two years?!

What should they do then?

What should anyone do who thinks that they are being wrongly treated for whatever reason, just forget about it?

 

[The Large One]

All I see is grown adults parading round London with Gove out, We hate Gove, Gove this and that, death to the tories, socialist workers against the toffs. It is not very grown up. I read articles in the mail, guardian, teachers.org, and it is all a bit pathetic. The evil one has gone and let's just hope teachers will get on and teach instead of moaning about the rough deal they are getting. We are all suffering, but some still get a pay rise, decent pension and up to 13 wks holiday.Enjoy.

Will you stop it now? You've just been told you don't know what you're on about, and you are still missing the point.

You've been told to go and read a few articles - in all papers - about Gove's handling of education, but you won't. The best you can offer is your prejudiced view of what you think you see.

Really, you have nothing to offer this debate.

 

[Bold Seagull]

All I see is grown adults parading round London with Gove out, We hate Gove, Gove this and that, death to the tories, socialist workers against the toffs. It is not very grown up. I read articles in the mail, guardian, teachers.org, and it is all a bit pathetic. The evil one has gone and let's just hope teachers will get on and teach instead of moaning about the rough deal they are getting. We are all suffering, but some still get a pay rise, decent pension and up to 13 wks holiday.Enjoy.

Oh I see, when you said 'I'm genuinely interested' you meant 'I'm genuinely not interested'. Sorry, I got the wrong end of the stick.

 

[Uncle C]

It is certainly not just about pay and pensions.

So why does every discussion and march major on this topic?

 

[East Preston Gull]

Will you stop it now? You've just been told you don't know what you're on about, and you are still missing the point.

You've been told to go and read a few articles - in all papers - about Gove's handling of education, but you won't. The best you can offer is your prejudiced view of what you think you see.

Really, you have nothing to offer this debate.

Ok then, I am so sorry. A one sided debate it is then. What a surprise.

 

[The Large One]

Ok then, I am so sorry. A one sided debate it is then. What a surprise.

No, it's just that all you've only posted a hefty dose of ignorance on this matter so far.

If you can provide clear, unambiguous apolitical evidence that Michael Gove was a force for good across all aspect of education, let's hear it, because you won't find many education professionals agreeing with him.

The floor is yours...

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

So why does every discussion and march major on this topic?

Probably because that is the thing they feel they can most legitimately protest about - that and workload, amount of paperwork to be filled in and so on. The rest is about ideology and policy, which is probably best tackled by other means, but they can not refuse to carry out government policy etc etc..

 

[Uncle C]

Ok then, I am so sorry. A one sided debate it is then. What a surprise.

Sorry, but you are outnumbered by teachers, husbands of teachers and every left wing contributor to NSC. Don't prolong the agony.

 

[The Large One]

Sorry, but you are outnumbered by teachers, husbands of teachers and every left wing contributor to NSC. Don't prolong the agony.

Yeah, how dare people who know about this sort of thing disagree with people who don't...

The usual go-to response is then "we're not allowed an opinion..." etc.

 

[Uncle C]

Probably because that is the thing they feel they can most legitimately protest about - that and workload, amount of paperwork to be filled in and so on. The rest is about ideology and policy, which is probably best tackled by other means, but they can not refuse to carry out government policy etc etc..

If they dropped the hard done by act then they would get more sympathy.

 

[East Preston Gull]

Sorry, but you are outnumbered by teachers, husbands of teachers and every left wing contributor to NSC. Don't prolong the agony.

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[jgmcdee]

Sorry, but you are outnumbered by teachers, husbands of teachers and every left wing contributor to NSC.

And parents. And those who care about education. And those who pay attention to what the government has done over the past few years. But don't let the fact that those who are closest to a subject and have taken the time to look in to it to form their opinions distract you from dismissing people purely based on your perceived fact that they must have their own self-interested reasons for doing what they do.

 

[Bold Seagull]

So why does every discussion and march major on this topic?

Ok then, I am so sorry. A one sided debate it is then. What a surprise.

Sorry, but you are outnumbered by teachers, husbands of teachers and every left wing contributor to NSC. Don't prolong the agony.

Feel free to contribute an opinion. All I've seen and read is the questioning of others opinions without actually contributing an argument to the contrary. If you were able to state what policies have been successful, where schools have improved, where academies have been successful, we would be well on our way to having a debate. Or just resort to the position or right vs left then suggest it's not worth it. It's just empty words on your part, seemingly upset about people passionate about the subject whether you agree or not.

 

[East Preston Gull]

No, it's just that all you've only posted a hefty dose of ignorance on this matter so far.

If you can provide clear, unambiguous apolitical evidence that Michael Gove was a force for good across all aspect of education, let's hear it, because you won't find many education professionals agreeing with him.

The floor is yours...

But results are up are they not. Or is this just figure massaging. Gove is no better or worse than other education ministers. He is a tory, so must be wrong. If the teachers unions are not fighting something then they will cease to exist.

 

[Bold Seagull]

But results are up are they not. Or is this just figure massaging. Gove is no better or worse than other education ministers. He is a tory, so must be wrong. If the teachers unions are not fighting something then they will cease to exist.

What results? Give some context? Key Stage 1, 2, GCSE's….what are you referring to? Why is Gove no better or worse than who? Is it just his political party, or is it his own running of the ministry? Even his own party members have been critical of his authoritarian approach.

 

[Mowgli37]

As someone in full-time education I have met dozens of teachers over years, and not one of them liked Michael Gove. Oh, and just because you protest about something doesn't make you a "socialist worker" and "against the toffs".

 

[The Large One]

But results are up are they not. Or is this just figure massaging. Gove is no better or worse than other education ministers. He is a tory, so must be wrong. If the teachers unions are not fighting something then they will cease to exist.

What is this obsession with thinking that this is Tories v Unions?

Have you looked into this at all?

'Left' and 'right' of the political divide, Gove has alienated just about every aspect of education; parents, teachers, exam boards, governors, academy sponsors, local authorities, education experts...