[Albion] Good Chris Hughton interview today

[Ninja Elephant]

Have this conversation as much as you want - but the facts stay the same. We were shit all season, but stayed up despite it. The manager was to blame for playing players out of position, being defensive in the extreme and not believing in the talent he'd signed.

4 brilliant years, 6 terrible months. He deserved the sack for the manner in which the team performed, especially in the second half of the season. His pre and post-match interviews were a joke, and we all started playing catchphrase bingo. The writing was on the wall but I was as surprised as everyone that he was fired the day after the final game of the season. It was thoroughly deserved though.

 

[Wozza]

Alyson Rudd is an excellent journalist and has got some great new info there.

Several of us on here used to play football against her in Regents Park - almost 20 years ago.

Which was nice.

 

[theboybilly]

We'd have played Cardiff on the weekend of the Millwall match - before the relegation spiral had started in earnest.

If we'd have won, Hughton may still be here.

We were on relegation spiral after the game at Goodison. A fortunate win at Huddersfield and a few hard-fought away draws aside Albion were woeful in the League. The poor performances set in long before March.

 

[Barham's tash]

Would that have constituted in some way as his first official warning?

Are you seriously insinuating all football manager sackings follow a first, second and final written warning?

Get with the program. He's gone. Deal with it and move on. I'm sure CH and his bank manager have.

 

[phoenix]

This is what I think happened for the Southampton game which was the start of a run of awful home games.
Of course we will never know but I suspect if we did not have Man City to play at Wembley the next week we would not have been so poor vs Southampton.

Yes I agree. And as they say "the rest is history or NOT in this case" which is why i think Chris being a clever chap, said words to the effect of "I knew what it meant to the fans" I think he knew it was NOT what he wanted he wanted to concentrate on the league. Which may well have meant him being Brighton manager still.

 

[phoenix]

Its turned into a why was Chris sacked thread again (for some) ! Well he has gone get over it for **** sake.

The word is fook.

 

[Cheshire Cat]

He could only work with what the Chairman was prepared to provide, so if his time with us ended in failure ( as all managers ultimately do), then Bloom should take his share of the blame and consequences

 

[Bodian]

I don't see why anyone is surprised or disbelieving that CH was surprised.

Yes - he will well have known that the last six months had gone poorly, but it seems he obviously had not been given any warning by TB that his job was at risk, and what with the 'togetherness' approach of the club as a whole, you can see him turning up the day after the City game and seeing TB and expecting to be sitting down and discussing 'now then, it's been pretty poor, how are we all going to pull together and get our way out of this?'. Finding out that the discussion was actually 'you're for the chop' would quite clearly have shocked him.

Yes, some here on NSC could have been moaning about CH, but put yourself in his shoes. You're going through a tough time at work, but if your employer / boss has given you no warning at all that your job is on the line, and you have met the targets you were set - then wouldn't you be rather shocked if you were sacked without notice?

 

[phoenix]

He could only work with what the Chairman was prepared to provide, so if his time with us ended in failure ( as all managers ultimately do), then Bloom should take his share of the blame and consequences

Well you tell us with what he was provided then ? And then show us how you know this ?

Because it seems not many people know this, except for you Chris and Mr Bloom .

 

[phoenix]

Tony Bloom is my good guy. He has dragged my fav team from the deepest darkest shite to where we are now. And im sorry (for you) but he is no1 in my option. Not all the in between jobs managers (yes some have been nice guys) who often leave with a handsome payoff.

 

[Kneon Light]

Have this conversation as much as you want - but the facts stay the same. We were shit all season, but stayed up despite it. The manager was to blame for playing players out of position, being defensive in the extreme and not believing in the talent he'd signed.

4 brilliant years, 6 terrible months. He deserved the sack for the manner in which the team performed, especially in the second half of the season. His pre and post-match interviews were a joke, and we all started playing catchphrase bingo. The writing was on the wall but I was as surprised as everyone that he was fired the day after the final game of the season. It was thoroughly deserved though.

Maybe the facts do stay the same.
What you have said however is your opinion (which I disagree with) - not fact.

 

[Kneon Light]

In the main, in the UK, multi million pound business run within employment law and we were led to believe the Albion were working to these guidelines when sacking Poyet and in the future. Recent events suggest otherwise currently, so why was Hughton different?

I disagree with the Hughton sacking as much as anyone but I do not see anything in this sacking different to pretty much every other football manager sacking.
He would have had his pay off in line with employment law. We would have heard otherwise if this was not the case.

 

[Dick Head]

Apologoes if fixtures:
FOOTBALL | CHRIS HUGHTON INTERVIEW
Chris Hughton: Black people come up and say – we need you back in the game
The former Brighton & Hove Albion manager explains to Alyson Rudd that football has a duty to provide more chances for minorities

Alyson Rudd
July 6 2019, 12:01am,
The Times

Premier League
Football
Hughton says his sacking by Brighton at the end of the season was a complete shock

Chris Hughton arrived at the Brighton & Hove Albion training ground the day after the final game of the season, full of energy for pre-season plotting. The atmosphere inside the Amex stadium had been jolly. The team had avoided relegation and had reached the semi-final of the FA Cup. There was much for Hughton to digest, even celebrate, but the thought of being sacked was not on his radar.

Indeed, when Tony Bloom, the chairman, told the former Spurs defender that he was out of a job, he was so shocked that he could not speak. Yes, Hughton was surprised to see the chairman at the training ground but even that did not make him suspicious.

“The biggest disappointment is that I never saw it coming,” the 60-year-old says. “As a manager you get a feel when things are not right or relationships have broken down, but there was never anything there for me to feel what was coming. I thought the chairman was in there for club stuff or if he was there to see me it was about the pre-season, so it was a big shock. For a moment I couldn’t say anything. I absolutely wasn’t expecting it, I was stunned, there was a silence.”

He thought of various ripostes in the subsequent hours but accepts it would not have changed a thing. Few managers change an owner’s mind with a clever retort.

#FakeNews

Chris Hughton arrived at the Brighton & Hove Albion training ground the day after the final game of the season, full of energy for pre-season plotting. The atmosphere inside the Amex stadium had been jolly. The team had avoided relegation and had reached the semi-final of the FA Cup. There was much for Hughton to digest, even celebrate, but the thought of being sacked was not on his radar.

Indeed, when Tony Bloom, the chairman, told the former Spurs defender that he was out of a job, he was so shocked that he overturned the table, breaking a reading lamp and some ceramic coasters, turned the air blue and after taking a few wild punches at Bloom, was neutralised and ejected by security. He was seen to be swigging from a Jameson's bottle from the glove compartment of his car as he erratically drove to the Britannia Harvester, where he was refused drinks, and threw several chairs through the conservatory windows and threatened drinkers and diners. The landlady called the police but he hasn't been seen since. Anybody with information can call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

 

[dazzer6666]

He could only work with what the Chairman was prepared to provide, so if his time with us ended in failure ( as all managers ultimately do), then Bloom should take his share of the blame and consequences

I’m sure he does, hence why he took what for him must have been an incredibly difficult decision to sack CH. He can’t sack himself though, can he ?

I don't see why anyone is surprised or disbelieving that CH was surprised.

Yes - he will well have known that the last six months had gone poorly, but it seems he obviously had not been given any warning by TB that his job was at risk, and what with the 'togetherness' approach of the club as a whole, you can see him turning up the day after the City game and seeing TB and expecting to be sitting down and discussing 'now then, it's been pretty poor, how are we all going to pull together and get our way out of this?'. Finding out that the discussion was actually 'you're for the chop' would quite clearly have shocked him.

Yes, some here on NSC could have been moaning about CH, but put yourself in his shoes. You're going through a tough time at work, but if your employer / boss has given you no warning at all that your job is on the line, and you have met the targets you were set - then wouldn't you be rather shocked if you were sacked without notice?

Happens all the time in all sorts of industries - I’ve seen and had to personally do it loads of times (it’s horrible). Yes, those on the receiving end often are shocked but it’s often the cleanest way of doing it. The ‘without notice’ bit isn’t really an issue - he’ll most likely have been compensated for whatever notice period was in his contract. Do we know he met the targets he was set ?

 

[Ninja Elephant]

#FakeNews

Chris Hughton arrived at the Brighton & Hove Albion training ground the day after the final game of the season, full of energy for pre-season plotting. The atmosphere inside the Amex stadium had been jolly. The team had avoided relegation and had reached the semi-final of the FA Cup. There was much for Hughton to digest, even celebrate, but the thought of being sacked was not on his radar.

Indeed, when Tony Bloom, the chairman, told the former Spurs defender that he was out of a job, he was so shocked that he overturned the table, breaking a reading lamp and some ceramic coasters, turned the air blue and after taking a few wild punches at Bloom, was neutralised and ejected by security. He was seen to be swigging from a Jameson's bottle from the glove compartment of his car as he erratically drove to the Britannia Harvester, where he was refused drinks, and threw several chairs through the conservatory windows and threatened drinkers and diners. The landlady called the police but he hasn't been seen since. Anybody with information can call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

On the subject of fake news;

We were a good team at any stage last season.

 

[GT49er]

having to rely on fulham and palace is not safety

Rubbish.

We relied on getting more points than the teams below us. That's because over 38 games we were better than them.

 

[Guinness Boy]

No he didn't. He knows just as Thunder Bolt does that you can't 'know' whether it was riskier to keep Hughton or bring in Potter.

Mr Bloom believe it is in the interest of the clubs continued growth and premier league status to change managers.

Maybe he is right, maybe he is wrong, but we won't ever really 'know'. If Potter succeeds we won't know that Hughton wouldn't have been more successful; if Potter fails, we won't know if Hughton would have failed worse.

100% true of course and not far off a couple of posts I've made but it misses context with particular reference to Tony Bloom. TB is a gambler, more to the point a poker player. If you see a hand of cards you like then you play them. If you see a hand you don't like you tend not to. But if you play a safe hand and lose on it enough times you have to do something different for doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of madness.

The CH interview suggests to me he wasn't prepared to change, and that suggests that TB was unprepared to play that hand again. So he doesn't know, but his gamblers' instinct is that Potter will do better and it's based on reasonable certainty that he'll do "differently".

 

[Stat Brother]

100% true of course and not far off a couple of posts I've made but it misses context with particular reference to Tony Bloom. TB is a gambler, more to the point a poker player. If you see a hand of cards you like then you play them. If you see a hand you don't like you tend not to. But if you play a safe hand and lose on it enough times you have to do something different for doing the same thing and expecting a different result is the definition of madness.

The CH interview suggests to me he wasn't prepared to change, and that suggests that TB was unprepared to play that hand again. So he doesn't know, but his gamblers' instinct is that Potter will do better and it's based on reasonable certainty that he'll do "differently".

Oddly I don't see TB as a gambler.
To me that has connotations of risk and I see Mr Bloom as far to methodical for risk.
He has one of those 'numbers' brains and he uses it to its full potential, which in my mind is how he ends up in your scenario.

No gamble, no risk, no heart on sleeve just a simple (for him) process of look at the numbers and do what they tell him.

Making all the more amusing that a bunch of fat middle aged men with barely 2 pennies to rub together are second guessing him, or worse still insistent that he's wrong.

 

[Wardy's twin]

I think he must be very naive given what happened at Necastle.

 

[dazzer6666]

Oddly I don't see TB as a gambler.
To me that has connotations of risk and I see Mr Bloom as far to methodical for risk.
He has one of those 'numbers' brains and he uses it to its full potential, which in my mind is how he ends up in your scenario.

No gamble, no risk, no heart on sleeve just a simple (for him) process of look at the numbers and do what they tell him.

Making all the more amusing that a bunch of fat middle aged men with barely 2 pennies to rub together are second guessing him, or worse still insistent that he's wrong.

This......he won’t see getting Potter in as a gamble, but a carefully calculated decision, with a degree if risk he’s prepared to take. Most business decisions have some risk, the route he’s decided to take presumably, in his mind, perhaps having less than ‘sticking’. I wouldn’t call [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] fat though, that’s plain rude [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]