Gold - Yes or No?

[Buzzer]

Can we have Liquid Gold?

Dance yourself Dizzy, this is dynamite
And baby we could be dancing, back to back tonight:dance:

Didn't Liquid Gold have a drumer that wore shiny hotpants? I have vague recollections of watching Summertime Special with them on.

 

[BensGrandad]

First paragraph;- even if the major investor wanted control, in the case of our club (I could give a rats ass about what other clubs do) they should be made to enter into a binding contract that prevents them from complete control - and even of their own assets! No taking their money out of the club wholesale, no selling to another investor without pre-approval of the new investor.

Second;- DK dying is not even in the equation. He is the person who saved the club, we have no choice of a safety-net in case of his own demise. He is our 'ground zero' from which the club can be rebuilt. For another investor though, it is pertinent to create safety nets and insurances.

Third;- I'm trying to say this, over and over again - no total control in the hands of one person, and whether we win the Prem, Champions League and FA Cup or languish in the lowest division, NO one man can possibly 'lose' the club, sell it to malevolent parties, or liquidate club assets. IF they DON'T agree to such binding terms with their 'big big money', they can take it elsewhere or stick it where sun don't shine.

Rancid stench of desperation and money-hunger is no way right for this club to start displaying, after making it through so much shite. The wolves have good sense of smell, and The Albion should never again be 'prey'.

What you are really saying is that you want to muddle along at Falmer jumping between div 1 and hopefully reaching the play off then get to the championship and be relegated again playing in front of our staunch 6,000 fans every week and paying a £50m mortgage for the new ground out of the proceeds. Simply because Archer shit on us so everybody else with money will do the same.Nobody with the kind of money we need will invest without control of their assets and money.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Agreed.

We just have to hope that it is the right person.

I see no reason at all why Gold is not.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Dave, it seems that only 9 people out of 180 who have expressed an interest on this thread are against David Gold investing in the club (according to this poll so far). Half of one percent. So when you say "some people", you actually mean "hardly anybody".

Ok then...hardly any..

 

[Icy Gull]

What you are really saying is that you want to muddle along at Falmer jumping between div 1 and hopefully reaching the play off then get to the championship and be relegated again playing in front of our staunch 6,000 fans every week and paying a £50m mortgage for the new ground out of the proceeds. Simply because Archer shit on us so everybody else with money will do the same.Nobody with the kind of money we need will invest without control of their assets and money.

It would seem so whilst hoping for a team of investors who actually have no say in what happens to their money as they won't be in control of anything just in case they shit on us. Well that's how I interpret it anyway.

 

[Titanic]

Dave, it seems that only 9 people out of 180 who have expressed an interest on this thread are against David Gold investing in the club (according to this poll so far). Half of one percent. So when you say "some people", you actually mean "hardly anybody".

Not being picky or anything but 9 out of 180 is 5%.

Still, the point stands, that David Gold appears to tick the right boxes for the vast majority of people.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

The only clubs going places these days are the ones with billionaires at the helm. £35m will probably get you Steve Sidwell's left buttock at current market value. With Gold we could probably just about afford to bring Robert Codner or Zeke Rowe out of retirement.

 

[Simster]

Not being picky or anything but 9 out of 180 is 5%.

Still, the point stands, that David Gold appears to tick the right boxes for the vast majority of people.

Simster by name, DIMster by nature.

 

[NMH]

What you are really saying is that you want to muddle along at Falmer jumping between div 1 and hopefully reaching the play off then get to the championship and be relegated again playing in front of our staunch 6,000 fans every week and paying a £50m mortgage for the new ground out of the proceeds. Simply because Archer shit on us so everybody else with money will do the same.Nobody with the kind of money we need will invest without control of their assets and money.

Why is everything wither black or white for you people?
I'm not saying we should do without, refuse or swat away people who want to invest in the club. If they have good intentions and a lasting interest in football (over a short-term interest in a fast cashing-in) then they should have NO problem with associating their finances with BHAFC under a contract, with share of power, and without the need to have total control of everything (including the power to sell to another fatcat lock stock and barrel).

 

[BensGrandad]

Why is everything wither black or white for you people?
I'm not saying we should do without, refuse or swat away people who want to invest in the club. If they have good intentions and a lasting interest in football (over a short-term interest in a fast cashing-in) then they should have NO problem with associating their finances with BHAFC under a contract, with share of power, and without the need to have total control of everything (including the power to sell to another fatcat lock stock and barrel).

Sorry but I cannot see your logic or reasoning on this. I am certain that there is not a man on this earth who has made himself a fortune who would agree to any contract or stipulation as to what he does with his money.

In a hypothetical situation David Gold buys the cliub and invests £100m in it, 12 months later he dies his dauhter inherits his money and businesses and hates football so she wants to sell up I would think that she must have that option if she so desired and anybody investing in the club, Dick Knight,Derek Chapman, Ray Bloom or whoever must protect their family interests. They may allow a clause in the purchase that the shares must be offered to the existing directors but if they could not afford or raise the cash for them then obviously they would be sold elsewhere. This dos not cast any shadow or doubts over the ethics of the original purchaser and is possibly something that they wouldnt imagine would happen. But who knows what our children/ family would do on our death. There have been many fall out over wills and inheritance issues.

The same could arise if the person didnt die but became to ill to continue his businesses and wanted to sell up and retire to The Bahamas.

 

[SICKASAGULL]

All these ifs and buts,Chelsea went for big bucks,well okay roubles,but what the hell,
anythings better than our slide towards div2,if it was to go belly up,so be it.
Knight saved the club but the present financial state of the board could well go bust,so its an easy choice for me,go Gold.

 

[NMH]

Sorry but I cannot see your logic or reasoning on this. I am certain that there is not a man on this earth who has made himself a fortune who would agree to any contract or stipulation as to what he does with his money.

In a hypothetical situation David Gold buys the cliub and invests £100m in it, 12 months later he dies his dauhter inherits his money and businesses and hates football so she wants to sell up I would think that she must have that option if she so desired and anybody investing in the club, Dick Knight,Derek Chapman, Ray Bloom or whoever must protect their family interests. They may allow a clause in the purchase that the shares must be offered to the existing directors but if they could not afford or raise the cash for them then obviously they would be sold elsewhere. This dos not cast any shadow or doubts over the ethics of the original purchaser and is possibly something that they wouldnt imagine would happen. But who knows what our children/ family would do on our death. There have been many fall out over wills and inheritance issues.

The same could arise if the person didnt die but became to ill to continue his businesses and wanted to sell up and retire to The Bahamas.

Okay then, my turn to think in black or white;

So BG, you would continue having the club in the hands of cruel fate, in risk the whole shooting match on the wellbeing, mental stability, and unknown intent of ONE PERSON, even after the struggle to keep the club in existence for the last 10 years, and the historical proof that one man can wipe a club off the map?

Since the F.A. do not control chairmen (as WE know FULL WELL) and they make their own rules up as they go along, I suggest we make everything nice and safe, in fact - as water-tight as possible.

One man sticks his neck out in football? Let it be his neck, since he's so interested in the game, and in BHAFC - and not the existence of the club on his drop of a hat.

 

[Dave the OAP]

Okay then, my turn to think in black or white;

So BG, you would continue having the club in the hands of cruel fate, in risk the whole shooting match on the wellbeing, mental stability, and unknown intent of ONE PERSON, even after the struggle to keep the club in existence for the last 10 years, and the historical proof that one man can wipe a club off the map?

Since the F.A. do not control chairmen (as WE know FULL WELL) and they make their own rules up as they go along, I suggest we make everything nice and safe, in fact - as water-tight as possible.

One man sticks his neck out in football? Let it be his neck, since he's so interested in the game, and in BHAFC - and not the existence of the club on his drop of a hat.

But the Golds run Birmingham...and they have done for x amount of years....they are or possibly will be selling to a consortium, which is what tends to happen these days.....why should we be any different?

If he or they come in, buy up the club ( or invest ) or whatever, from the level of debt we are servicing and the falling attendances, I am not sure we could be picky as to say " I am sorry the current board are the be and end all of BHA"

As I said on another thread, I do not believe this is a Stanley/Archer scenario

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

But the Golds run Birmingham...and they have done for x amount of years....they are or possibly will be selling to a consortium, which is what tends to happen these days.....why should we be any different?

If he or they come in, buy up the club ( or invest ) or whatever, from the level of debt we are servicing and the falling attendances, I am not sure we could be picky as to say " I am sorry the current board are the be and end all of BHA"

As I said on another thread, I do not believe this is a Stanley/Archer scenario

Agreed - the Golds cannot be compared to Archer and Co. We are also in a different era, and have Falmer on the horizon - a different picture to the mid nineties.

Personally I don't believe that we will have the money men falling over themselves to invest in us - where NMH are they going to come from? They certainly all won't be worth £500 million, have a fantastic track record in football and live in Sussex. If he is interested we should welcome him with open arms IMO.

I want to see this club in the top half of the Championship inthe next 10 years - and the only way will be with some serious money behind us.

 

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[BensGrandad]

Is the Birmingham papers source a news agency or have they made their own enqiuiries and come up with the same answer is The ARGUS.

 

[NMH]

Agreed - the Golds cannot be compared to Archer and Co. We are also in a different era, and have Falmer on the horizon - a different picture to the mid nineties.

Personally I don't believe that we will have the money men falling over themselves to invest in us - where NMH are they going to come from? They certainly all won't be worth £500 million, have a fantastic track record in football and live in Sussex. If he is interested we should welcome him with open arms IMO.

I want to see this club in the top half of the Championship inthe next 10 years - and the only way will be with some serious money behind us.

I will say it one more time, no more. I did not say shoo him away.
Like BG mentioned above - as an investor he would be wise to place his faith in BHA, and to become involved with the most honest club-loving people in football, especially that fellow who has kept decorum, faith, and resolve with this club.
If he insisted in having complete control, then I'm not as excited as many on here.
Sure, he 'might' have best interests at heart, and he 'might' mean to see the job through all the way, and he 'might' not just want a cheap fixer-upper he can turn around at a huge profit. I don't invest total faith in 'maybe'.

Big money got Leeds United a Premier Division title - remember them?? How long has the Prem been in existence, and then - how near to extinction were LUFC? The rules have even been changed because of Leeds, otherwise they might even be feeling lucky to be in the 2nd Division! With their ground, and fanbase?? How can THAT have happened ??
Well it DID. (ex-Premier League Wimbledon, who did go extinct for their fans, were probably a different circumstance - and a different end)
And I'm sure the Leeds Utd fans were well chuffed to see all that dosh bandied about, and them winning one Premiership title!

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Then we'll have to disagree.

I for one would not invest xx millions into a business without having control in the direction that business was going. It's not like having a few shares in a company and watching the FTSE to see how your investment is going.

Let's not forget that without some big money we will have a huge mortgage at Falmer, and be hopping between leagues one and two on gates of 6-8k

Is that what you really want?

 

[NMH]

Here's another thought;
If a man invests in a football club, and is a big fan, foremost, of the football - why then, does he want to sell and walk away as soon as they have reached the apex of top football, without enjoying some seasons basking in the top echelon of class, quality football?

He's buying a stairway to heaven - then turning back as soon as he's got through the gates??

 

[Silent Bob]

Is the Birmingham papers source a news agency or have they made their own enqiuiries and come up with the same answer is The ARGUS.

Seems to me they are just reporting what was said in The Argus.