God Save our Queen

[The Spanish]

Well that's just RIDICULOUS.

For exactly the same reasons, you could argue that any form of Unionism is considered sinister "by many British people".

No its not ridiculous at all. And yes, many British people were bemused and unnerved by extreme Unionism (that most visible through a TV screen) at the time I am sure, and people did think 'they are all as bad as each other'. Funny that people outside of NI might think nutters who want to shoot kill and main each other (and them on the mainland) might be a bit sinister, and tar all with the same brush.

But that's not what we are talking about. Shall we start a thread about murderous loyalist gangs or nutters in bowler hats who think they are God's gift just to balance things out, or just concentrate for the moment on the people who blew children to bits on the streets of England?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i might as well mate , its dead today .

cannot live in Brighton because it's 'inconvenient'.......you're in a 'dead' job, next you will be telling me you have to take public transport to work because you cannot afford a car

P.S. I give it 2 minutes.

 

[Scampi]

Spanish, you suggested that "any form of republicanism is considered sinister". That's opening things up beyond the terrorists, so I thing LB's analogy is fair enough.

 

[The Spanish]

Spanish, you suggested that "any form of republicanism is considered sinister". That's opening things up beyond the terrorists, so I thing LB's ananlogy is fair enough.

yes thats the point. What I am saying is plenty of Mr and Mrs English People at Home Watching Telly During The Troubles equate(d) the word 'republicanism' with balaclavas, bombs and some sinister organisations claiming to be at war with them. That's not too hard to grasp is it?

Plenty of the enlightened ones on here who's grannys are 1/8th Irish or who went to Banna Strand on their holidays once as kids or lived in so and so for a bit may be more clued up as to the peaceful creed of being independent of an oppressive overbearing neighbour.

What I am saying though is what many British people, not as clever wise and compassionate (or more prone to sentimentality, fantasy and disloyalty, depending on your view) as some on here, associate with the word 'republicanism'. Simple.

 

[User removed 4]

cannot live in Brighton because it's 'inconvenient'.......you're in a 'dead' job, next you will be telling me you have to take public transport to work because you cannot afford a car

P.S. I give it 2 minutes.

i have to take public transport to work because there is nowhere to park my car, but you'd be used to that if you werent a country bumpkin from the sticks wouldnt you ?

 

[Simster]

Spanish, you suggested that "any form of republicanism is considered sinister". That's opening things up beyond the terrorists, so I thing LB's analogy is fair enough.

Are we talking cross purposes here? I think "The Spanish" suggested that some people in this country consider republicanism as sinister. Was LB referring to The Spanish's statement as RIDICULOUS or was he referring to the fact that anyone could consider republicanism as sinister being ridiculous? Because I think the The Spanish is probably right AND that what he says is completely ridiculous.

remind me how many unionist bombs there were in london, or brighton for that matter ?

Please tell me you're not arguing that republicanism in itself is sinister.

If you are, then consider that Jeffrey Archer was thrown in prison, so should I, as a British voter, consider the Tory party a more seedy party than Labour just because more ex-Tory cabinet ministers have done time?

 

[Scampi]

I'm sorry Spanish I don't accept that analysis, I think people on the whole are smarter than you give them credit for. I also don't appreciate the aggression, you don't have to take such a combative stance with everyone.

 

[London Calling]

yes thats the point. What I am saying is plenty of Mr and Mrs English People at Home Watching Telly During The Troubles equate(d) the word 'republicanism' with balaclavas, bombs and some sinister organisations claiming to be at war with them. That's not too hard to grasp is it?

What I am saying though is what many British people, not as clever wise and compassionate (or more prone to sentimentality, fantasy and disloyalty, depending on your view) as some on here, associate with the word 'republicanism'. Simple.

Whilst I do not agree with Spanish often, my Dad hates "The Irish" with real venom, he recently quoted me some Unionist supported story from the Mail, to use a conduit for more racist bollocks, the fact he had his religions etc mixed up, meant nothing at all to him.

"I hate them all...................." was his enlightened reply.

Now, whilst Spanish sentiments may be true to Irish Nationalism/REpublic.

I am certainly a English Republican, who wants a English republic. No violence will be needed, just the will of the people.

 

[The Spanish]

I'm sorry Spanish I don't accept that analysis, I think people on the whole are smarter than you give them credit for. I also don't appreciate the aggression, you don't have to take such a comabative stance with everyone.

Its an emotive subject. Aggression is dead kids strewn over the streets of Warrington, not a internet discussion.

 

[User removed 4]

Are we talking cross purposes here? I think "The Spanish" suggested that some people in this country consider republicanism as sinister. Was LB referring to The Spanish's statement as RIDICULOUS or was he referring to the fact that anyone could consider republicanism as sinister being ridiculous? Because I think the The Spanish is probably right AND that what he says is completely ridiculous.

Please tell me you're not arguing that republicanism in itself is sinister.

If you are, then consider that Jeffrey Archer was thrown in prison, so should I, as a British voter, consider the Tory party a more seedy party than Labour just because more ex-Tory cabinet ministers have done time?

LB stated that on the basis of spanish's statement , just as many british people would find unionism sinister, i enquired why, as the unionists hadnt exploded any f***ing bombs , killing countless innocent people, with me so far ?

 

[Scampi]

Its an emotive subject. Aggression is dead kids strewn over the streets of Warrington, not a internet discussion.

It sure is an emotive subject as illustrated by your highly emotive second sentance.

 

[The Spanish]

It sure is an emotive subject as illustrated by your highly emotive second sentance.

In that case I apologise for my cynical tactic of genuinely finding children murdered for some half baked ideals, based around drunken pub songs and the manipulation of simpletons, upsetting.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Whilst I do not agree with Spanish often, my Dad hates "The Irish" with real venom, he recently quoted me some Unionist supported story from the Mail, to use a conduit for more racist bollocks, the fact he had his religions etc mixed up, meant nothing at all to him.

"I hate them all...................." was his enlightened reply.

Now, whilst Spanish sentiments may be true to Irish Nationalism/REpublic.

I am certainly a English Republican, who wants a English republic. No violence will be needed, just the will of the people.

Here, here Mr LC.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

i have to take public transport to work because there is nowhere to park my car, but you'd be used to that if you werent a country bumpkin from the sticks wouldnt you ?

..so you do use public transport. What was it your beloved Maggie T said about public transport users?

 

[looney]

It isn't that far fetched to consider Republicanism sinister from a patriotic perspective, a lot of it has a history of being aided and abetted by foreign powers.

Guy Fawkes was in the spanish Army and there are some who consider him a hero.

 

[Simster]

LB stated that on the basis of spanish's statement , just as many british people would find unionism sinister, i enquired why, as the unionists hadnt exploded any f***ing bombs , killing countless innocent people, with me so far ?

Although I'm fairly sure the UFF and UDA planted car bombs in Northern Ireland, I'm digressing by arguing this particular point.

My point is why anyone should consider republicanism in itself as "sinister" any more than, say, considering a religion sinister because of the existence of extremists? It's merely a point of view and does not suggest an agreement with violence.

 

[The Spanish]

It isn't that far fetched to consider Republicanism sinister from a patriotic perspective, a lot of it has a history of being aided and abetted by foreign powers.

Guy Fawkes was in the spanish Army and there are some who consider him a hero.

I would say most republicans would consider themselves a 'foreign power' in that sense. That's kind of the point of it.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

In that case I apologise for my cynical tactic of genuinely finding children murdered for some half baked ideals, based around drunken pub songs and the manipulation of simpletons, upsetting.

Spanish old fruit you seem to use the same tone about everything.

 

[The Spanish]

Although I'm fairly sure the UFF and UDA planted car bombs in Northern Ireland, I'm digressing by arguing this particular point.

My point is why anyone should consider republicanism in itself as "sinister" any more than, say, considering a religion sinister because of the existence of extremists? It's merely a point of view and does not suggest an agreement with violence.

and in Dublin. But NOT on the mainland. Consequently you could argue that Mr and Mrs English (and I know plenty) did not consider them 'as bad'. Throw in a few Union Jacks and you are not going to be as demonised on English sofas as the IRA, who have made it very clear they are not that into you. By trying to kill you.

 

[London Calling]

LB stated that on the basis of spanish's statement , just as many british people would find unionism sinister, i enquired why, as the unionists hadnt exploded any f***ing bombs , killing countless innocent people, with me so far ?

But didn't they form their own army against the British people 1919-1921 and of course it went onto to develop into a terrorist force against the UK people and used regular violence against Catholics.