George Osborne = Political Pygmy

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

'A Conservative government would bring in a two-year freeze on English council tax bills, George Osborne has pledged.'

Well woopie-doos.

Is that all you GOT, George?

Just won't do

 

[bigc]

Regardless of my political stripes, surely isn't setting council tax a matter for local councils?

By promising a freeze, isn't he in theory doing the exact same "central diktat" as the Tories accused Brown of doing, of being an over centralist.

That reminds me of a little bit of propaganda the council put out in their city news here in Brighton. Reading their corrections page, it said, last issue, when the sentence read "keep council tax down", it was meant to read "keeping council tax RISES down"....

Oh yeah, totally innocent mistake there

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Only a fool would display all his cards with an election not too far off. Labour have past form when it comes to stealing policies.

I an uneasy when it comes to the South subsidising the North through grants. I also think that Poll Tax did have its merits. Why should a co-habiting couple with no children pay a similar level to a couple with four kids?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Political Pygmy ... doesn't come close to describing this moron.

I don't think I've come across a shadow cabinet member (of any party) who is quite so cretinous. I once listen to this idiot on radio 5, and he was so bad that he was cringe worthy, you could almost sense the other guests and Simon Mayo cringing everytime he opened his mouth. He is to British politics what Dan Quayle was to the US. Why he shadow chancellor is beyond me, I can only believe that he has incriminating photos of Cameron with a goat

 

[Gully]

...so we have a couple of years of inflation and local councils are powerless to raise council tax to pay for all the services they currently provide...that sounds like an absolute winner to me!

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Kelly Osbourne - talentless pygmy

 

[Buzzer]

Cor...are you guys gonna be pissed off in a year or two then when he becomes Chancellor.

It's going to be double galling considering we've all got used to living under the regime of the two greatest Chancellors since records began. They've left the economy in PERFECT condition and you just know Osborne is going to ruin it all. Ah well. That's life.

*snigger*

 

[beorhthelm]

Well woopie-doos.

Is that all you GOT, George?

Just won't do

i know. id much rather he improve the offer of free theatre tickets to the poor, should have trumped Darling by extending it to Opera too or somthing.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Has he explained how he will fund this? Tory councils often blather on about how their council taxes are soooo low......but forget to tell you they have cut a variety of services.

Anyone can reduce tax if they dont spend anything.

Whilst I am not totally happy with Gordon Brown I, and I think the general public, are starting to feel that he is probably best placed to guide us through these difficult times.

 

[Buzzer]

How about making fairer the methos on which councils are allocated funds from central Government? Because the current method is so heavily weighted towards Northern (and predominantly Labour run councils) that it really really has to stop.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

How about making fairer the methos on which councils are allocated funds from central Government? Because the current method is so heavily weighted towards Northern (and predominantly Labour run councils) that it really really has to stop.

Indeed. Anyone would think they are trying to buy votes? Of course, I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[binky]

Whilst I am not totally happy with Gordon Brown I, and I think the general public, are starting to feel that he is probably best placed to guide us through these difficult times.

I would be very interested in understanding your insight into the general publics feelings.
Is there a poll that I have missed miraculously placing Labour in pole positon?
Was there a surge in support at the close of the Labour party conference which slipped by me?

Honestly, I can't believe that anyone who can actually think... at all... would vote for such a discredited chancellor/PM after the litany of mistakes which he has made.

 

[Beach Hut]

Face up to the obvious, thankfully the red flag is soon to be lowered.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Face up to the obvious, thankfully the red flag is soon to be lowered.

And that'll be better for the country how?

 

[Buzzer]

And that'll be better for the country how?

A referendum on the EU
No more ID cards
Pulling back of the Nanny state
No more tax and spend
No more Derek Draper or Alistair Campbell at the centre of Government
Fairer council tax allocation

f*** it, let's go the whole hog and be honest here. The Tories are about small government, low taxes, encouraging people to live within their means, taking personal responsibility and personal choice. A legal system based on principles with court interpretation rather than the micromanagement and prescription of every part of the way we live.

Can't be worse, can it? What have you got to lose? Apart from your totally outdated view of the Tories, of course.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

The Tories are about small government, low taxes, encouraging people to live within their means, taking personal responsibility and personal choice.

That'll be 'No Such Thing As Society' then. Cos it worked SO well last time

Don't you read the papers? FAIR is the new GREED. At least for now.

 

[binky]

That'll be 'No Such Thing As Society' then. Cos it worked SO well last time

Don't you read the papers? FAIR is the new GREED. At least for now.

It sounds like you are equating "society" with big government.
To my mind, they aren't the same thing at all.

And wasn't the 'No Such Thing As Society' quote taken completely out of context?
Any which way, it's gotta be better than the breakdowm of unity and community which this labour administration has foisted upon us.

 

[Buzzer]

Oh for f*** sake, THPP. How many more times is that shit gonna be rolled out and misquoted. Have you ever read what she actually said?

I must post the quote about once every couple of months when some f***ing eejit rolls out the "no society" bollocks.

Seriously - have you ever read it? Do you just trot out the mantra because it's easier than thinking for yourself about what she actually said or is it that you have to paint her as a complete hate figure because the thought of her actually saying something that might actually make perfect sense really scares you?

 

[Buzzer]

Part of the speech:

I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand"I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or"I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and[fo 1] there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation and it is, I think, one of the tragedies in which many of the benefits we give, which were meant to reassure people that if they were sick or ill there was a safety net and there was help, that many of the benefits which were meant to help people who were unfortunate—" It is all right. We joined together and we have these insurance schemes to look after it" . That was the objective, but somehow there are some people who have been manipulating the system and so some of those help and benefits that were meant to say to people:"All right, if you cannot get a job, you shall have a basic standard of living!" but when people come and say:"But what is the point of working? I can get as much on the dole!" You say:"Look" It is not from the dole. It is your neighbour who is supplying it and if you can earn your own living then really you have a duty to do it and you will feel very much better!"

There is also something else I should say to them:"If that does not give you a basic standard, you know, there are ways in which we top up the standard. You can get your housing benefit." But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society.[fo 2] There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate. And the worst things we have in life, in my view, are where children who are a great privilege and a trust—they are the fundamental great trust, but they do not ask to come into the world, we bring them into the world, they are a miracle, there is nothing like the miracle of life—we have these little innocents and the worst crime in life is when those children, who would naturally have the right to look to their parents for help, for comfort, not only just for the food and shelter but for the time, for the understanding, turn round and not only is that help not forthcoming, but they get either neglect or worse than that, cruelty.


http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=106689


I challenge anyone to take that extract and attribute what THPP and all the other stupid stupid socialists try and do.

Absolutely lazy, cliched smearing and if that's the best you lot have got then you're f***ed.

 

[binky]

Oh for f*** sake, THPP. How many more times is that shit gonna be rolled out and misquoted. Have you ever read what she actually said?

I must post the quote about once every couple of months when some f***ing eejit rolls out the "no society" bollocks.

Seriously - have you ever read it? Do you just trot out the mantra because it's easier than thinking for yourself about what she actually said or is it that you have to paint her as a complete hate figure because the thought of her actually saying something that might actually make perfect sense really scares you?

Reasoned argument Buzz. Way to go.
Mind you, I have to admit that arguing with THPP is only good if you're going to laugh about it.
There's no way you can get the clinically insane to respond to reason