George Osborne = Political Pygmy

[Deportivo Seagull]

Cor...are you guys gonna be pissed off in a year or two then when he becomes Chancellor.

It's going to be double galling considering we've all got used to living under the regime of the two greatest Chancellors since records began. They've left the economy in PERFECT condition and you just know Osborne is going to ruin it all. Ah well. That's life.

*snigger*

It's not the case of him being Tory ... it's a case of him being an idiot. If he is the best that the Tories can offer as a future chancellor then we have a big problem. He makes Darling look brilliant. In the Radio 5 interview I listen to he was way out of his depth, as soon as he was asked to comment on something that he didn't have crib notes for he was screwed. It was cringeworthy ... thinking about it, him and Cameron would be right at home in New Labour.

What a choice we have .. a bunch of idiots .... and a bunch of idiots.

 

[larus]

Buzzer. Thank you for posting that. I have never seen that before, and have found it difficult to repudiate this myth that the lefties trot out all of the time.

I fail to understand how anyone (with more than one brain cell) can possibly say, that from that speech, MT meant what is implied when this phrase is re-cylced time and again. But hey-ho, don't let the FACTS stand ifn the way of the PREJUDICE.

 

[User removed 4]

as opposed to the stunning intellect of such political giants as hazel blears,ian mccartney,alistair darling,james purnell, david blunkett ? ummmm yes he's dwarfed in such exalted company .

 

[Gwylan]

Oh for f*** sake, THPP. How many more times is that shit gonna be rolled out and misquoted. Have you ever read what she actually said?

I must post the quote about once every couple of months when some f***ing eejit rolls out the "no society" bollocks.

Seriously - have you ever read it? Do you just trot out the mantra because it's easier than thinking for yourself about what she actually said or is it that you have to paint her as a complete hate figure because the thought of her actually saying something that might actually make perfect sense really scares you?

Yeah. I've just read it. "...But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society...". It strikes me that you obviously haven't if you think the phrase is a misquote as it quite plainly isn't.

No matter how much you try to bat it away, it's a speech that obviously causes problems for the Tories, which is why it still crops up 20 years later and why David Cameron was keen to stress that "there is such a thing as society, it's not just the same thing as the state."

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Part of the speech:

I think we have gone through a period when too many children and people have been given to understand"I have a problem, it is the Government's job to cope with it!" or"I have a problem, I will go and get a grant to cope with it!" "I am homeless, the Government must house me!" and so they are casting their problems on society and who is society? There is no such thing! There are individual men and women and[fo 1] there are families and no government can do anything except through people and people look to themselves first. It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation and it is, I think, one of the tragedies in which many of the benefits we give, which were meant to reassure people that if they were sick or ill there was a safety net and there was help, that many of the benefits which were meant to help people who were unfortunate—" It is all right. We joined together and we have these insurance schemes to look after it" . That was the objective, but somehow there are some people who have been manipulating the system and so some of those help and benefits that were meant to say to people:"All right, if you cannot get a job, you shall have a basic standard of living!" but when people come and say:"But what is the point of working? I can get as much on the dole!" You say:"Look" It is not from the dole. It is your neighbour who is supplying it and if you can earn your own living then really you have a duty to do it and you will feel very much better!"

There is also something else I should say to them:"If that does not give you a basic standard, you know, there are ways in which we top up the standard. You can get your housing benefit." But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society.[fo 2] There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate. And the worst things we have in life, in my view, are where children who are a great privilege and a trust—they are the fundamental great trust, but they do not ask to come into the world, we bring them into the world, they are a miracle, there is nothing like the miracle of life—we have these little innocents and the worst crime in life is when those children, who would naturally have the right to look to their parents for help, for comfort, not only just for the food and shelter but for the time, for the understanding, turn round and not only is that help not forthcoming, but they get either neglect or worse than that, cruelty.


http://www.margaretthatcher.org/speeches/displaydocument.asp?docid=106689


I challenge anyone to take that extract and attribute what THPP and all the other stupid stupid socialists try and do.

Absolutely lazy, cliched smearing and if that's the best you lot have got then you're f***ed.

Isn't that just Labour and Labour supporters all over though. People say the Tories have no policies but the only policies Labour have are slagging of the Tories. I cannot believe anyone thinks we will be better off with Labour and Brown except single mothers, students, long term unemployed, families with lots of kids , asylum seekers, civial servants, consultancy firms ----------------------------

 

[larus]

It is our duty to look after ourselves and then also to help look after our neighbour and life is a reciprocal business and people have got the entitlements too much in mind without the obligations, because there is no such thing as an entitlement unless someone has first met an obligation and it is, I think, one of the tragedies in which many of the benefits we give, which were meant to reassure people that if they were sick or ill there was a safety net and there was help, that many of the benefits which were meant to help people who were unfortunate—"

How can anyone disagree with this view? We should aim to help ourselves first. Too many view the state as a way to live, rather then a system to provide support in hard time.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

The people above will disagree with it.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

I cannot believe anyone thinks we will be better off with Labour and Brown except single mothers, students, long term unemployed, families with lots of kids , asylum seekers, civial servants, consultancy firms ----------------------------

 

[Billy the Fish]

Yeah. I've just read it. "...But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society...". It strikes me that you obviously haven't if you think the phrase is a misquote as it quite plainly isn't.

No matter how much you try to bat it away, it's a speech that obviously causes problems for the Tories, which is why it still crops up 20 years later and why David Cameron was keen to stress that "there is such a thing as society, it's not just the same thing as the state."

That's not what he is saying though is it. By quoting that one line you lose the entire context of the speech.

 

[Franks Wild Years]

OK. I would never vote Tory, but because of the Iraq War and the reliance on spin etc etc I will never vote Labour again.
But I do think that the lack of decent debate and reasoned argument comming from the Tories is a big worry.
Yesterday they announced that they would oppose a third run way at Heathrow and instead would build a high speed rail link to the north. Quite a big announcement which prompted the Shadow Transport Minister to be interviewed on Radio 4 new at lunchtime.Having said that they had costed the idea the Tory spokesperson was then asked about the route the rail line would take.
"Well it would go North" was her reply.
The interviewer asked if she could be more specific to which she said they hadn't planned a detailed route.
"So how can you cost the idea if you don't know a specific route."
"Well we've spoken to people who know about these things and they tell us that this is what it could cost " !!

This was a major policy announcement and that was the level of research, we really are f***ed if these jokers get in.

 

[User removed 4]

we really are f***ed if these jokers get in.

why, work as a "consultant" do you ??

 

[Man of Harveys]

Yeah. I've just read it. "...But it went too far. If children have a problem, it is society that is at fault. There is no such thing as society...". It strikes me that you obviously haven't if you think the phrase is a misquote as it quite plainly isn't.

No matter how much you try to bat it away, it's a speech that obviously causes problems for the Tories, which is why it still crops up 20 years later and why David Cameron was keen to stress that "there is such a thing as society, it's not just the same thing as the state."

I LOVE the way it's being implied that that particular quote was just uttered - almost by mistake - in complete isolation and was of course in no way any kind of illustration of the "grab the money for yourself and f*** even any rudimentary thought of social consequences" of the unashamed CUNTERY that is the Tories at their trough-swilling fat-catted worst.

Part of the reason Cameron can't make any assurances with any substance to them is because he's a pointless thick airheaded bimboc*nt. Part of it is because he's obviously too scared to - a great attribute in a leader. But another reason is that presumably many of them STILL just see nothing wrong with exactly that view expressed above: that's it's fine pretending that society doesn't matter or even exist as you blithely set about feathering your own nest and sod anyone else and any other long-term consequences.

And anyone half-witted enough to vote for that twittish shower of chinless oddballs because "well they couldn't do any worse could they?" doesn't deserve the vote, IMHO.

 

[Simster]

A referendum on the EU

No. f***ing. Chance.

 

[User removed 4]

I LOVE the way it's being implied that that particular quote was just uttered - almost by mistake - in complete isolation and was of course in no way any kind of illustration of the "grab the money for yourself and f*** even any rudimentary thought of social consequences" of the unashamed CUNTERY that is the Tories at their trough-swilling fat-catted worst.

Part of the reason Cameron can't make any assurances with any substance to them is because he's a pointless thick airheaded bimboc*nt. Part of it is because he's obviously too scared to - a great attribute in a leader. But another reason is that presumably many of them STILL just see nothing wrong with exactly that view expressed above: that's it's fine pretending that society doesn't matter or even exist as you blithely set about feathering your own nest and sod anyone else and any other long-term consequences.

And anyone half-witted enough to vote for that twittish shower of chinless oddballs because "well they couldn't do any worse could they?" doesn't deserve the vote, IMHO.

i believe you're a financial journalist or an analyst in the oil market ?? do you not see the hypocrisy of working within a system you so clearly despise ?

 

[User removed 4]

No. f***ing. Chance.

we.will.see

 

[Franks Wild Years]

why, work as a "consultant" do you ??

No, work in finance do you ?

 

[User removed 4]

No, work in finance do you ?

yep.

 

[Simster]

we.will.see

Indeed. We'll also see investment in public services dry up (you wait, no more essential maintenance work on the railways).

And you know what I bet we DON'T see when the Tories get in? The required MASSIVE shake up of state benefits. From what I recall, the situation was WORSE in the days of past Tory governments than it ever has been now. What makes you think the current crop of tories have the bollocks to make these tough decisions when they won't give us any real policy alternatives right now?

I'm all for cutting back the nanny state sensibly, but I BET the tories to absolutely f*** ALL about sorting it out. They never ever do.

 

[NMH]

'A Conservative government would bring in a two-year freeze on English council tax bills, George Osborne has pledged.'

Well woopie-doos.

Is that all you GOT, George?

Just won't do

A "freeze" means keeping council tax at the current price, which isn't exactly offering a whole lot, is it?

If he offered to drastically reduce the tax, that would be a better story.

 

[User removed 4]

Indeed. We'll also see investment in public services dry up (you wait, no more essential maintenance work on the railways).

And you know what I bet we DON'T see when the Tories get in? The required MASSIVE shake up of state benefits. From what I recall, the situation was WORSE in the days of past Tory governments than it ever has been now. What makes you think the current crop of tories have the bollocks to make these tough decisions when they won't give us any real policy alternatives right now?

I'm all for cutting back the nanny state sensibly, but I BET the tories to absolutely f*** ALL about sorting it out. They never ever do.

i disagree, think they will take the scythe massively to all waste and beaureaucracy.