[News] George Floyd trial

[NooBHA]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but some on here have the officer guilty before he's had a fair trial, otherwise lets just have no laws and let the lynch mobs and vigilante's rule, very dangerous territory.

Your post above is quite contradictory to some of your earlier posts though.

If you read them all back. You virtually have George Floyd guilty of drug use, drug possession, passing counterfeit notes; however, here you are now advocating not to judge Chauvin until he has his trial.

So why can't people have an opinion on the Policeman, if it is OK to have an opinion on George Floyd ?

 

[neilbard]

Your post above is quite contradictory to some of your earlier posts though.

If you read them all back. You virtually have George Floyd guilty of drug use, drug possession, passing counterfeit notes; however, here you are now advocating not to judge Chauvin until he has his trial.

So why can't people have an opinion on the Policeman, if it is OK to have an opinion on George Floyd ?

Agreed, we are all entitled to an opinion, none of my posts have been aggressive towards anyone, some on here have been accused of racism by certain posters,

If George Floyd was on trial I would have an opinion yes, but he would still have to go through the process of a fair trial and we would have to hear all the evidence, that's how it works.

Also I never said Floyd was in possession of any drugs, the police were called because he passed a counterfeit note allegedly,

the way he was behaving suggested he was under the influence of a substance but that is a guess on my part agreed, equally he may have just been stressed out.

Let me make it clear I'm not having a go at anyone for having an opinion, for what is worth the officer in question should be found guilty of a crime but that is for the jury to decide.

 

[NooBHA]

Agreed, we are all entitled to an opinion, none of my posts have been aggressive towards anyone, some on here have been accused of racism by certain posters,

If George Floyd was on trial I would have an opinion yes, but he would still have to go through the process of a fair trial and we would have to hear all the evidence, that's how it works.

Also I never said Floyd was in possession of any drugs, the police were called because he passed a counterfeit note allegedly,

the way he was behaving suggested he was under the influence of a substance but that is a guess on my part agreed, equally he may have just been stressed out.

Let me make it clear I'm not having a go at anyone for having an opinion, for what is worth the officer in question should be found guilty of a crime but that is for the jury to decide.

You implicated him to drug possession when you in one of your posts drew attention to what you felt was a crack pipe found by police on him.

I don't want to accuse you of anything but I get a sense there is at the very least an unconscious bias against anyone who may be a drug user

 

[McTavish]

Agreed, but he was behaving irrationally at the wheel of a vehicle and not listening to the officers, the maximum penalty in the state of Minnesota for passing counterfeit bills is $1000 fine or 1 year imprisonment.

Forging checks of $250 or less is punishable by up to one year in jail and a $3,000 fine, but when the amount of the check exceeds $250, the penalty increases to up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Floyd allegedly passed a $20 counterfeit bill.

Not really sure what your point is.

 

[neilbard]

You implicated him to drug possession when you in one of your posts drew attention to what you felt was a crack pipe found by police on him.

I don't want to accuse you of anything but I get a sense there is at the very least an unconscious bias against anyone who may be a drug user

Again that is your opinion.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Not really sure what your point is.

I'm not sure [MENTION=28481]neilbard[/MENTION] is either.

 

[neilbard]

Not really sure what your point is.

Both George Floyd and the officers involved overreacted to what was a relatively minor offence passing an alleged £20 bill.

 

[Easy 10]

I think you missed his point, it is profitable to the companies that run the prisons, and profitable for the companies that use the cheap labour, not necessarily great for the tax payer.

I'm just not buying into the notion that the government, in cahoots with private businesses, are sending as many people to jail as possible in order to make a profit off them.

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Both George Floyd and the officers involved overreacted to what was a relatively minor offence passing an alleged £20 bill.

But what is the point you are trying to make with this statement? It strikes me as just a factual observation of what occurred.

 

[schmunk]

I'm just not buying into the notion that the government, in cahoots with private businesses, are sending as many people to jail as possible in order to make a profit off them.

It's not quite as simplistic as that, but it really is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex

 

[neilbard]

But what is the point you are trying to make with this statement? It strikes me as just a factual observation of what occurred.

Okay this is what didn't occur, George Floyd didn't comply with the officers requests, if he had of done he would probably still be alive today, of course we have no way of knowing this because as its just an opinion.

 

[Easy 10]

It's not quite as simplistic as that, but it really is a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison–industrial_complex

Perhaps then. But I really don't see this as being a motivating factor for Chauvin / the MSP in the arrest of George Floyd. I very much doubt it will be cited as evidence in court. With that being the case, it doesn't have anything to do with this thread IMO.

 

[Razzoo]

None of that is relevant. Nor is his drug use. The only thing being asked is 'did this police officer kill this man through recklessness?'. Nobody is supposed to asking if George Floyd was a nice guy - that is entirely irrelevant. The police officer has effectively murdered someone.

Actually his drug use is relevant, very much so, if it contributed to his death.

 

[Easy 10]

Actually his drug use is relevant, very much so, if it contributed to his death.

Indeed. Its pretty much the foundation of the defence's case.

 

[GT49er]

Actually his drug use is relevant, very much so, if it contributed to his death.

Why? Would he been able to survive longer than nine minutes with a knee on his neck if he hadn't taken drugs?

 

[blue-shifted]

Why? Would he been able to survive longer than nine minutes with a knee on his neck if he hadn't taken drugs?

That's what they are going to argue

 

[Razzoo]

Why? Would he been able to survive longer than nine minutes with a knee on his neck if he hadn't taken drugs?

Who knows? He had an alarming amount of drugs in his system, apparently. That's for the medics and toxicologists to argue the toss over.

 

[GT49er]

That's what they are going to argue

They'll need a bit of luck with that then (plus a good deal of white supremacy bigotry from the US justice system).

When your airways are blocked, you die, end of (literally, end of!)

 

[blue-shifted]

They'll need a bit of luck with that then (plus a good deal of white supremacy bigotry from the US justice system).

When your airways are blocked, you die, end of (literally, end of!)

There are those in this thread who've bought into the argument, so at least 50/50 chance that they will find a juror who will as well

 

[KeegansHairPiece]

Okay this is what didn't occur, George Floyd didn't comply with the officers requests, if he had of done he would probably still be alive today, of course we have no way of knowing this because as its just an opinion.

Agreed, but police are held to a standard of behaviour and professionalism when dealing with non compliance. All arrests must involve some suspicion of law breaking, so the actions of the culprit or suspect really don’t alter this case - in my opinion.