General Election 2017

[Machiavelli]

thats a valid criticism of normal polling, which is attempting to forecast the voting intention. they dont know of changes or their impact until after post analysis with the result. as exit polls are a snapshot of voting behavior that has occurred, its inherently more accurate, should smooth out demographic variations and reflect changes well.

If you read what occurs with the exit poll, and compare it to what goes on with standard polling, then you can really appreciate why the former is far more accurate than the latter. I still think that certain circumstances will throw up flaws with their methodology and models, however.

 

[SK1NT]

Taken the day off tomorrow. Can't wait. Beers, carbs and a lot of praying ,. The last few referendums/elections have always been the opposite to how i've voted. Hopefully that may change.. but i doubt it. I just want it to be close at least for entertainment value.

I shall bring my work laptop home and join you guys.

 

[Triggaaar]

What about the 1991 recession? How did Labour have a hand in that?

Fair point, that happened under the tories, but then they fixed it too.

Your understanding of economics is so simplistic as to be worthless.

The last two recessions have been caused by global factors.

What I blame Labour for is not getting borrowing under control while the economy was doing well. We had a chance to slowly improve the public sector while reducing our debt, but Labour chose to overspend, sell our gold at low price, and spend. Then when times got hard (as they always do), we had no fallback position.

 

[Triggaaar]

Having watched May's interview with Jon Snow, I don't understand why she's been avoiding all the interviews. She's more than capable of answering the questions, surely avoiding these interviews has cost her votes?

 

[Triggaaar]

I reckons all seats will stay the same.
Hove genuinely might be a nail-biter.

The tories have put forward a religious nutter. I very much want May to remain as PM, but I won't be voting tory.

 

[Triggaaar]

but Kyle really should be standing as an independent. He doesn't even support his own party.

I'd vote for him if he was independent.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Hove turning blue apparently.

 

[Bozza]

Hove turning blue apparently.

Where's that from?

Labour still shading it with the bookies and Betfair.

 

[KVLT]

No. If we don't arm them, they'll simply get their arms from somewhere else. And if we manage to get all arms producers to stop arming them, they'll have to use their vast wealth to develop their own arms industry, which is a risk worthy of debate, should it be an option.

The economy was in a good state when Labour took office, and it carried on in a good state until it wasn't any more. Which is how it always works with Labour.

The UK government cycle is as follows:
Labour **** up the economy
We vote in the Tories to fix it
The Tories fix it and cut spending
We're happy with the economy, but want more spent on welfare, so we vote in Labour
Labour spend more on welfare and things look good
Labour **** up the economy

Not by economic competence but by selling off all our assets.

To name a few of the big ones - Our national airline, railways, telecoms, water, electricity, gas, social housing, postal service, Eurostar, shares in the banks WE rescued.....

There's many more besides. The list goes on.

From an Independent article dated December 2015:

New figures from the House of Commons library reveal that in the five-and-a-half years Mr Osborne has been Chancellor he has made £37.7bn in privatisations – and intends to sell off another £20bn by the end of the next financial year.

This is more than any Chancellor since 1979, including Nigel Lawson, who controlled the nation’s finances from 1983-89,

After Labour came to office in the 1997 landslide, government privatisations almost ground to a halt. In Gordon Brown’s 10 years in the Treasury he sold off only £2.8bn worth of public assets – or £280m a year compared with Nigel Lawson’s £8.5bn a year.

George Osborne on course to privatise more public assets than any Chancellor since 1979

 

[peterward]

So what you are saying is you shall vote Tory not because of May or her policies but just because you think Corbyn is an IRA sympthiser. Wow the Daily Mail got to you good. I assume that you are equally as angry about May's Saudi state visit? To the country that encouraged ISIS?

- **** the fact the Tories will destroy the NHS (it is slowly being privatised),
- **** the Brexit talks in which she is going to be a "bloody difficult woman" which won't help negotiations at all. We are in no position for this stance. The best Bexit talk lawyer Keir Starmer is also Labour. What the **** is a good deal and a bad deal? A bad deal has to be anything worse than we currently have being in the EU. I guarantee we won’t be getting a better deal than we currently have,
- No figures or costings for anything in her manifesto.
- Getting rid of kids school dinners
- Keep a public sector 1% pay rise cap on nurses police etc
- Reducing top earners tax
- Introducing of fox hunting again
- Removal of the Ivory trade ban
- Dementia tax (wtf is the cap)

But let's forget about all the present facts and detail about the Tories at this current time and let’s look at how the Daily mail has portrayed Corbyn as an IRA sympathiser 20 years ago.

what utter garbage. First on the NHS, this is from open democracy about the NHS, you wont like hearing the truth, from this truly indepedent group.

"A moment of honesty is required - New Labour began the dismantling of our NHS

In 1999 ‘New Labour’ marked the start of a transition of the NHS from a public sector provider to include the private sector under the disguise of choice and competition. New Labour’s reforms of the NHS proved to be highly unpopular both within and outside the mainstream Labour Party.

Why did New Labour take this controversial and unpopular route to the delivery of public services? After four successive general election defeats, Labour’s social democratic model of Keynesian demand management economics, progressive taxation, extending welfare spending and redistribution was no longer seen as a practicable solution. New Labour essentially raised the white flag and inverted the principle of social democracy: society was no longer to be the master of the market, but its servant. Labour was to offer a more humane version of Thatcherism in that the state would be actively used to help people survive as individuals in the global economy. Nevertheless, economic interests would always call all the shots. Professor Anthony King described Tony Blair’s administration as the “first ever Labour government to be openly, even ostentatiously pro-business”.

Thus, New Labour’s leadership had been “converted” from tolerating private enterprise to actively promoting it – a significant political U-turn."

As for Corbyn being an IRA sympathiser, who knows, but courting terrorists maiming on British streets is highly contentious, what is a fact is that Corbyn has voted against every single piece of anti terror legislation, he did say he was against shoot to kill 18 months ago....even though he now tries to pretend he isn't after London at the weekend, he is trying to associate the pretty harsh cutting of neighbourhood policing to increases in terror, this lie is nothing more than an opportunistic political strategy, published as fact in the left wing mouth pieces like the guardian and mirror and perpetuated by left wing fan boys like you.... Lord Carlile the Peer respected on all sides of the house who was responsible for terrorism oversight and law recommendation said this "the assertion that cuts to beat police officers have diminished the ability to fight terrorism is untrue' the 2 are not linked. The current head of anti terrorism also agrees. Whilst 20k neighbourhood police officers is bad and more is better, the political narrative from labour that this is somehow responsible for islamic terrorism is false. Anti terror policing and intelligence spending (responsible for this area) is increasing. What would the extra 10k labour neighbourhood police really do? More admin, chase more speeding motorists, break up parties after 11pm or break up ISIS cells. Its bollocks.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Fair point, that happened under the tories, but then they fixed it too.

but Labour chose to sell our gold at low price, and spend. Then when times got hard (as they always do), we had no fallback position.

Not by economic competence but by selling off all our assets.

To name a few of the big ones - Our national airline, railways, telecoms, water, electricity, gas, social housing, postal service, Eurostar, shares in the banks WE rescued.....

There's many more besides. The list goes on.



George Osborne on course to privatise more public assets than any Chancellor since 1979

Quite. I'm astonished that those of a blue hue refuse to face up to this. Always have done.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Where's that from?

Labour still shading it with the bookies and Betfair.

Local Labour activists see them losing, by a very small margin.

Edit: This is office chatter but from a immediate source

 

[carteater]

Voted Libdem, but it's the first time I've been torn between them and Labour, but of course it doesn't make a difference in Arundel and South Downs.

 

[Triggaaar]

Quite. I'm astonished that those of a blue hue refuse to face up to this.

Face up to privatisation? I think most industries are run better in the private sector.

If you just mean the economy, the sale of those assets is not a large portion of our economy.

 

[KVLT]

Quite. I'm astonished that those of a blue hue refuse to face up to this. Always have done.

And the point constantly made for the gold selloff being undervalued also goes for the Tory privatisations where they're always doing their buddies a favour.

 

[brightn'ove]

Has to be said I have never heard so many lies from so man politicians - you don't know what to believe any more?

We live in a post truth era.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Funny innit that our railways are owned by the government. Just not our government.

 

[happypig]

I always plan to stay up all night and make a bit of a do of it but usually have a few sherbets and nod off about 3, wake up at 4 and go to bed and endure a tirade of moaning because I woke wifey up.
Will be getting a bottle of something interesting in for later.

 

[Bozza]

Local Labour activists see them losing, by a very small margin.

Edit: This is office chatter but from a immediate source

Sounds like there's some value in the evens on Conservative then. Might have a nibble.

 

[Willow]

Useful link to find the impact of voting for different parties on your local school (just type in postcode or school name):
http://www.schoolcuts.org.uk/#!/

That website says each child at our school will lose £9 under the Tories. How does that correlate with their manifesto that states 'No school will have its budget cut as a result of the new funding formula'?