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General Election 2017
- Thread starter Giraffe
- Start date
Quite some leader in yesterday's Times....
At a turning point in Britain's history the prime minister lacks the authority to lead. Her party will be held responsible for the consequences.
Ever since its resurrection on tea towels and post-cards, "Keep Calm and Carry On" has served as a self-consciously British summary of what to do when times get tough. Theresa May seems to have adopted it as her mantra in the worst week of her career, but the mantra is not equal to the moment. This has also been a dreadful week for Britain - a week when a similarly pithy line from across the Atlantic might serve the government better: wake up and smell the coffee.
As Whitehall hurtles all but leaderless towards the start of Brexit talks it is hard to overstate the turmoil and confusion at the heart of government, or the long-term risks these pose to British livelihoods and Britain's status in the world. Not since the Suez crisis more than 60 years ago has this country appeared at once so ambitious and so unsure of itself. Not since Munich, 18 years before that, has its cabinet been so eager to collude in a charade of self-deception. There is an urgent need for confident leadership abroad and national reassurance at home to which Mrs May seems unable to respond. Merely keeping calm and carrying on as if history were not being made with every day of dithering will not do.
To recap: Mrs May has staked her survival in power on a confidence and supply deal with the Democratic Unionist Party of Northern Ireland, but no deal has been finalised. As a consequence the government has no agreed legislative agenda. Despite this, the Queen's Speech has been scheduled for next Wednesday.
Even assuming Mrs May secures the DUP's support, she does not have a parliamentary majority for the hard version of Brexit set out in her Lancaster House speech five months ago, or for any other version. Her negotiating team therefore has no clear goal or starting point. It has agreed to start talks on Monday in Brussels even so.
The Conservative party is reeling from the election. Ministers are manoeuvring for an inevitable Tory leadership contest. The country is struggling to come to terms with a high-rise inferno that killed dozens on the edge of one of London's richest boroughs. Every government department is burdened and distracted by the demands of Brexit.
The ruins of Grenfell Tower are seen abroad as symbolic of a country that wants to bestride the world of international trade but cannot keep poor tenants safe. The prime minister who promised to take back control of Britain's money, laws and borders is no longer in control of her own cabinet. She is isolated, shorn of her two closest advisers and most of her authority. She seems unable to think on her feet, or to judge correctly the public mood after an avoidable and shameful tragedy.
At a turning point in Britain's history the prime minister lacks the authority to lead. Her party will be held responsible for the consequences.
Ever since its resurrection on tea towels and post-cards, "Keep Calm and Carry On" has served as a self-consciously British summary of what to do when times get tough. Theresa May seems to have adopted it as her mantra in the worst week of her career, but the mantra is not equal to the moment. This has also been a dreadful week for Britain - a week when a similarly pithy line from across the Atlantic might serve the government better: wake up and smell the coffee.
As Whitehall hurtles all but leaderless towards the start of Brexit talks it is hard to overstate the turmoil and confusion at the heart of government, or the long-term risks these pose to British livelihoods and Britain's status in the world. Not since the Suez crisis more than 60 years ago has this country appeared at once so ambitious and so unsure of itself. Not since Munich, 18 years before that, has its cabinet been so eager to collude in a charade of self-deception. There is an urgent need for confident leadership abroad and national reassurance at home to which Mrs May seems unable to respond. Merely keeping calm and carrying on as if history were not being made with every day of dithering will not do.
To recap: Mrs May has staked her survival in power on a confidence and supply deal with the Democratic Unionist Party of Northern Ireland, but no deal has been finalised. As a consequence the government has no agreed legislative agenda. Despite this, the Queen's Speech has been scheduled for next Wednesday.
Even assuming Mrs May secures the DUP's support, she does not have a parliamentary majority for the hard version of Brexit set out in her Lancaster House speech five months ago, or for any other version. Her negotiating team therefore has no clear goal or starting point. It has agreed to start talks on Monday in Brussels even so.
The Conservative party is reeling from the election. Ministers are manoeuvring for an inevitable Tory leadership contest. The country is struggling to come to terms with a high-rise inferno that killed dozens on the edge of one of London's richest boroughs. Every government department is burdened and distracted by the demands of Brexit.
The ruins of Grenfell Tower are seen abroad as symbolic of a country that wants to bestride the world of international trade but cannot keep poor tenants safe. The prime minister who promised to take back control of Britain's money, laws and borders is no longer in control of her own cabinet. She is isolated, shorn of her two closest advisers and most of her authority. She seems unable to think on her feet, or to judge correctly the public mood after an avoidable and shameful tragedy.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
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Basically, following approval of the Queen, if May puts forward her cabinet and this is voted on and she does not get enough votes then there will be 2 alternatives. Either she resigns and another conservative leader will take over and give their viable option to the Queen and the process is repeated.
Or else the opposition (Corbyn) will offer his own alternative. If neither of these are actually voted upon and won then there could be a dissolvation of parliament and another General Election.
In which case then the whole market of Next Government and also next PM will be voided and all the exposure released
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
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It's mind blowing how dumb the British public are.
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I know exactly what your saying, 13 years of Labour ruined this country.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
- 13,634
There'll be no country left after the tories are done with it, well there will be, one where poor people don't exist as they've been left to die out. It's hilarious how we all laugh at the Americans voting in Trump, yet we've done the exact same thing, our leaders are effing morons, unfortunately the people they rely on for votes are even bigger morons.
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
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Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Not at all by the preceding 18 years I suppose?
Maybe the Tories have finally realised that they don't need a deal with the DUP - as they won't vote against them anyway. They want an IRA supporting PM even less than the Tories.
studio150
Well-known member
A very long night to get something in place for the Queens Speech tomorrow, or do the Conservatives fall effectively on the first vote of the new Parliament
I was at lunch with a prominent Conservative last week - he has close links to Central Office and is a former PPC. I asked him about this because I'm not sure why the Tories want a deal with the DUP, they have a big enough majority without one. His answer was that the DUP is an insurance policy: it's not the opposition that May is frightened of, but the rebels in her own party.
But, even the rebels wouldn't vote down Brenda's speech
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
A Chelsea Bun?
Not sure quite what point you're trying to make here, as the pictures you've posted show that you're obviously wrong
Nathan
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- Jan 8, 2010
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Maybe the N was supposed to be a M.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
The High Court rules the Benefit Cap to be illegal and causes real misery for no good purpose. Another nail in the coffin for the Tories
Not sure quite what point you're trying to make here, as the pictures you've posted show that you're obviously wrong
Figure of 500 was taken from the metro , no idea if their estimate was close though .
http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/21/clash...protesters-as-day-of-rage-turns-ugly-6725531/
With John mcdonnell calling for 1 million to take to the streets on July 1st to force the conservatives out of number 10 the potential for serious disorder must shirley be taken seriously .
Machiavelli
Well-known member
The right to assembly and association is the key feature of contemporary democracy, yet you seem to dismiss it. Does this mean that you don't like democracy? Does this mean that you don't want the people involved in democracy, and set the agenda as to when they decide to involve themselves?
It clearly wasn't going by the pictures that you posted.
I'm absolutely no fan of violence, or of violent disorder. Such acts are hugely counter-productive to the protesters' cause IMO, through loss of public support.
Wasn't that supposed to be the last election? Or did that not quite go to plan?