General Election 2015

[London Irish]

Socialism is dead,how many more times will this dead horse get flogged

look at France,you won't find many more socialist than the french,but even they've had enough

Hollande is the most unpopular president in history,so much so that Sarkozy,who wasn't at all popular during his first presidency,will win the next election by a landslide

Seriously. Socialism is Hollande. Broaden your reading beyond the Mail and Telegraph, it's tragic.

 

[melias shoes]

That's because people in the south have enjoyed disproportionately high rises in property prices over the past few decades. A significant contributory factor to this has been government/s policy. Were you on here complaining about that, when government after government has assisted in this? After all, it's got nothing to do with the effort of the property owner that prices have risen; it's down to a combination of luck and government policy.
I'm also of the view that governments ought to shift taxation towards property and assets, and away from labour.

So because properties in the south have a higher return bringing what is effectively a 'wealth tax' is acceptable is it. Punishing people because the price of their property has risen?

 

[Machiavelli]

People with money may have made a profit through all manner of investments and I'd like to see them taxed on the amount they've earned, not based on where their homes are.

Which policy is it you'd like to discuss?
So do you agree with me that it should be on all assets, or should it only be on people that live in the south?

1, just seen your acronym comment: made me chuckle
2, your first comment contradicts your third
3, policies are numerous especially over a three or four decade period, but they broadly involve increasing demand (looser lending arrangements) and decreasing supply (decade-upon-decade of building insufficient stock)
4, property tends to be the biggest asset, and is easy to tax because it's immobile. I would like to see far higher taxes on financial activity alongside greater regulation to reduce the role of that sector. This is much more difficult to achieve, because finance is highly mobile. It will only happen when post-national and, increasingly, global bodies come into being to tackle this.

 

[melias shoes]

Seriously. Socialism is Hollande. Broaden your reading beyond the Mail and Telegraph, it's tragic.

Only if you promise to stop reading the guardian. He lives in France I doubt he reads the Mail/telegraph. Even if it is available on line. What is tragic is anyone that disagrees with you is a Mail, telegraph etc..reader.

 

[Machiavelli]

So because properties in the south have a higher return bringing what is effectively a 'wealth tax' is acceptable is it. Punishing people because the price of their property has risen?

It is, because as explained, government policy has been over-generous to them over the last few decades. They're not being punished. People with homes of that value are comfortably in the top 0.1% wealth owners in the world. And they've got there as a result of luck and government policy. Now there are plenty of people that have been punished over the past few decades. Ex-mining communities, for instance, in the UK or those that had network connections reduced following the Beeching Report, or we could look at no end of sub-Saharan countries.
They've been punished while the ones that you've claimed have been subjected to that fate have seen the value of their assets rise significantly. By doing nothing.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Seriously. Socialism is Hollande. Broaden your reading beyond the Mail and Telegraph, it's tragic.

don't read either,watch the French news though

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

dear deluded from Germany,

Our dear leader has gone around the world and gathered many failed policies from other failed/failing socialist states and bundled them all up into a nice red book. Many of these failed policies, like a mansion tax which has FAILED in france (cannot even be discussed coherently by our own Labour ministers)

But at least we're showing our Green credentials by recycling it one more time in the UK.

I'm pretty sure the Mayor of London is in no way intimidated by any clueless buffoons, especially ones who did very little to change anything when they were a key minister of the most failed government in 3 decades, and that left a calamitous inheritance of debt on the shoulders of our children, but maybe he did flinch when confronted by the strings of Len McCluskys chosen puppet as he recites yet another well rehearsed nice sounding script from the Penmanship of Douglas Alexander.

I must have been scary for poor Boris. after all this is the man who said that he stood up to the leader of the free world, Barack Obama no less when permission was sought to stop the slaughter of 1000's of Syrians. Lets ignore the people from our beloved party that tell a different story. surely it can't really be true, that Ed was actually a man who really, was so afraid of a back bench revolt and having to answer to a pissed off Diane Abbott, that he bottled it, and couldn't make a decision.

Its outrageous that he was called a flip flopping calamity, an oddball who can't make decisions and who procrastinates, naturally I thought it a smear of the Murdoch press or just unfounded opinion when in fact it was made by that traitor, the former labour king maker and former labour mayor of doncaster Martin Winter, who recommended our Dear Ed to Uncle Gordon, and then formed such an opinion after having Ed live with him for a while. Of course Eds guardians did there best to discredit Martin, by guardians I of course mean the guardian and the guardian online AKA the BBC. so why did Ed not take up the offer to have a lie detector as Martin did? Its an interesting read about the betrayal of our Dear Leader, not sure if you'll find it on amazon.de so heres a clip

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But what a great tale it is to imagine our mighty Red Ed standing up hey. The Same super Ed who wholeheartedly agreed to support exactly the same type of operation in Libya to stop butchering of civilians as was proposed in Syria, I was so proud that this week he later tried to link and blame the deaths at sea of migrants escaping from that country on David Cameron. Nasty David. Its just a shame now that we didn't agree to Syria as there may have been a lot of political mileage in “Dave the beheader” dont you think?

Did you know that over here in little old United Kingdom that every household is paying around 25-30% more for their energy today than the market dictates. Terrible isn't it, especially for those worse off. How can that be when wholesale energy prices have fallen through the floor you may ask. Its Gordon Browns Gold part 2 Meine freund and we're very proud of it here at the HQ. The genius that is Ed Milliband has announced he will freeze prices, so we cannot understand now the market has dropped, why are these companies trying to protect their profits, surely they should be dropping prices to consumers now and not keeping them artificially high to offset our future intervention? they should drop them so we can freeze them low rather than keep them high, bank the profit now and then get them frozen at a higher level..... don't they get what we're trying to achieve here? a helping hand to those suffering high priced energy.

Do you need any popularist bandwagons in Germany Comrade? We've got loads over here, There should be a job lot going just after 7th May, when our Ed dismounts ready to take on Barack again and a visibly shaken Putin in his imperial ambitions (but don't worry, even though our leader is super tough you wont ever see any missiles overhead, he is going to buy a nice new set of shiny Tridents but he actually promised he would never use them and we don't want to upset Nicola..... or Dianne Abbot for that matter...... so take that you nasty Russian invader you).

Its so exciting to be on the cusp of this socialist revolution, businesses are bristling with excitement at what awaits, the soundbite generation are loving their fill from Super Ed via Douglas and authorised by Len. The spirit of Che Geuvara is alive in Eastbourne, Lenin Lite is coming to Lewes. And all those nasty rich tax payers will soon be going one way out of Gatwick.

Wear that Red Rosette with pride in East Berlin, viva la revolution.

PW

p.s you Couldn't lend us 200 billion could you, just to tide us over? Haven't quite worked out yet how we're going to make up for the shortfalls from driving out the non desirable tax payers and the end of economic growth. The focus groups all say Douglas's manifesto is a vote winner. But he still wont say where the monies coming from without borrowing, we tried calling Len and he wont say either and we're just worried a real voter may break into our sanitised 'rent a rally' Election events and ask, so we don't quite no what to do or say, what do you think we should do? or should we just do nothing? Maybe we can blame it on Dave, yes that sounds good doesn't it, they'll like that one, may get another vote from somewhere outside Scotland.

FFS. Do you really expect me to read and watch all of this?

 

[London Irish]

don't read either,watch the French news though

Well then don't talk crap. Hollande is a boring right-wing social democrat whose economic policies are indistinguishable from Blair who is is indistinguishable from Cameron. They exist is a narrow defined western elitist idea of pro-corporate government and to pretend this a battle of ideas between alternatives like capitalism and socialism is a massive lie. What Greece is doing, you can argue is some kind of socialist break from the elitist EU governments, Miliband probably not so much but I guess we will see.

 

[melias shoes]

It is, because as explained, government policy has been over-generous to them over the last few decades. They're not being punished. People with homes of that value are comfortably in the top 0.1% wealth owners in the world. And they've got there as a result of luck and government policy. Now there are plenty of people that have been punished over the past few decades. Ex-mining communities, for instance, in the UK or those that had network connections reduced following the Beeching Report, or we could look at no end of sub-Saharan countries.
They've been punished while the ones that you've claimed have been subjected to that fate have seen the value of their assets rise significantly. By doing nothing.

People with £ 2m pound houses are in the 0.1% wealth in the World? I say this because I'm building houses in Horsham area and they are nothing special and are fetching around the £1m mark. The people who are buying them don't seem to be in that 0.1% bracket but go off to work everyday to pay for their mortgage on the house.

 

[melias shoes]

FFS. Do you really expect me to read and watch all of this?

I did.

 

[Machiavelli]

People with £ 2m pound houses are in the 0.1% wealth in the World? I say this because I'm building houses in Horsham area and they are nothing special and are fetching around the £1m mark. The people who are buying them don't seem to be in that 0.1% bracket but go off to work everyday to pay for their mortgage on the house.

They'd have to own them to get in there (rather them being owned or part-owned by a bank), but yes. A Land Value Tax is a better solution than a Mansion Tax, which has only really been proposed because it seems the larger parties aren't particularly interested in revising local taxation.

 

[beorhthelm]

4, property tends to be the biggest asset, and is easy to tax because it's immobile.

so to be clear, you'd advocate taxing all property assets?

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Well then don't talk crap. Hollande is a boring right-wing social democrat whose economic policies are indistinguishable from Blair who is is indistinguishable from Cameron. They exist is a narrow defined western elitist idea of pro-corporate government and to pretend this a battle of ideas between alternatives like capitalism and socialism is a massive lie. What Greece is doing, you can argue is some kind of socialist break from the elitist EU governments, Miliband probably not so much but I guess we will see.

so your saying Hollande is not a socialist and I talk crap

 

[London Irish]

so your saying Hollande is not a socialist and I talk crap

Correct. He isn't. He belongs to something called the Socialist party. Hitler was a national socialist. You really do need to look beyond the irrelevant labels.

 

[Gregory2Smith1]

Correct. He isn't. He belongs to something called the Socialist party. Hitler was a national socialist. You really do need to look beyond the irrelevant labels.

so in the last french presidential election all those french people that went into their booths thinking they was putting an x next to Hollande's name representing the left wing socialist party were all idiots because London Irish says so

 

[nicko31]

People with £ 2m pound houses are in the 0.1% wealth in the World? I say this because I'm building houses in Horsham area and they are nothing special and are fetching around the £1m mark. The people who are buying them don't seem to be in that 0.1% bracket but go off to work everyday to pay for their mortgage on the house.

Even in Horsham £1m is still a lot for a house, but doesn't mean you get a lot though. You can thank this government for using every tool imaginable to drive prices up to extortionate levels...

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Just back from local PPC debate / hustings.

Green refereed to 'coloured communities' in Coventry - is it okay to call someone that?!

The politically correct term is Black and Ethnic Minorities but I believe in Coventry the ethnic mix means there are three times the number of Asian persons to Black persons which is probably what the candidate was trying to imply.

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

The politically correct term is Black and Ethnic Minorities but I believe in Coventry the ethnic mix means there are three times the number of Asian persons to Black persons which is probably what the candidate was trying to imply.

Yeah you are probably right! He was only a young guy anyway so just speaking his mind. Was just surprised that's all! You are quite right, Coventry is very diverse!

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Latest Ashcroft constituency poll for Great Grimsby suggests UKIP support has collapsed over the past month. Probably due to Labour getting over the message that voting UKIP will lead to Cameron being in number 10 propped up by Farage and Northern Ireland's DUP.

 

[Titanic]