General Election 2015

[beorhthelm]

Fantasy land? The facts are the economy is growing fast and unemployment is falling at rates that are the envy of the rest of Europe. Facts. I don't care much for ambitious promises made at election time, history tells us leaders of all parties usually fail to deliver on that stuff.

to be fair though, Osborne has delivered any economic improvement, he's sat it out long enough and the economy has recovered as part of its natural cycle. true he didn't interfere, allowing that cycle to work its way through, but he hasnt had any meaninful policy to improve the economy. a few demand side rabbits to fluff up the housing market and thats about it.

 

[yxee]

to be fair though, Osborne has delivered any economic improvement, he's sat it out long enough and the economy has recovered as part of its natural cycle. true he didn't interfere, allowing that cycle to work its way through, but he hasnt had any meaninful policy to improve the economy. a few demand side rabbits to fluff up the housing market and thats about it.

Labour would be happy to spend their way out of the recession and leave an even bigger budget deficit. If Osborne hasn't done anything, then what were all those labour MPs complaining about back in 2010/11 ? Warning that he was cutting spending too much too fast and that it would damage the economy?

Didn't it all go quiet on that front when things actually started picking up?

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

You inhabit some fantasy land. The coalition said that they'd reduce the deficit in the parliament. They didn't. They said that they'd sort the economy out. Instead, they took an economy that was growing fairly strongly, and nose-dived it, such that there was no growth. It was only after that that it returned to growth. Meanwhile, Osborne -- a smooth operator if ever there was one, supported by the media -- got an easy ride. When the economy eventually returned to growth, there's all this crowing, perfectly exemplified by you.
This growth was effectively off the back of (yet) a(nother) house price boom, spiked by Russian oligarchs and others sitting on oil wealth in Mayfair, which has ripples to other parts of London. A spike that won't last, and is on its way out already.
At the same time, the median wage continues to plummet, a process that's been going on for over a decade now. Add in £9k university fees, the bedroom tax, family support targeted, the disabled too. And the worst cuts are still to come.

Clegg is a busted flush. However much he says sorry, he also said that he'd reverse top-up fees in his manifesto. He also said that he promised to do this. He also pledged to do this. Clegg will lose his seat at the next election. And he deserves it.
But I do agree that the Lib Dems will play a part in the next election.

Labour bleats on like this whilst failing to say that they would have borrowed more increasing the deficit (both the actual and the structural one - if you don't understand the difference educate yourself) and at the same time wrecking our international interest rates which would have pushed the deficit even further.

Thankfully the electorate are seeing through this with the Tories 30 points ahead on the economy.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fantasy land? The facts are the economy is growing fast and unemployment is falling at rates that are the envy of the rest of Europe. Facts. I don't care much for ambitious promises made at election time, history tells us leaders of all parties usually fail to deliver on that stuff.

You want facts look at the type of jobs which are being generated. Unemployment is falling with a huge increase in jobs which people cannot afford to live on and which are being propped up by tax-payer funded tax-credits. Excellent.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

You want facts look at the type of jobs which are being generated. Unemployment is falling with a huge increase in jobs which people cannot afford to live on and which are being propped up by tax-payer funded tax-credits. Excellent.

Yeah, record numbers of low paid jobs. That is very bad for the long term health of the country.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yeah, record numbers of low paid jobs. That is very bad for the long term health of the country.

Bad, it is utterly disgusting in my opinion. It's a total piss take.

 

[Beach Hut]

I am guessing these low paid jobs are to get people into working so eventually they can earn enough to stand on their own two feet. Bit like the housing market you start with a flat and graduate to a house etc.

Whether this will work or not remains to be seen.

 

[Bozza]

Bad, it is utterly disgusting in my opinion. It's a total piss take.

You're right - let's keep them 100% reliant on state support - a far better solution.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

You want facts look at the type of jobs which are being generated. Unemployment is falling with a huge increase in jobs which people cannot afford to live on and which are being propped up by tax-payer funded tax-credits. Excellent.

I agree with you that more well paid jobs need creating but surely it's better someone has their salary topped up than rely entirely on benefits ?

 

[FREDBINNEY]

You want facts look at the type of jobs which are being generated. Unemployment is falling with a huge increase in jobs which people cannot afford to live on and which are being propped up by tax-payer funded tax-credits. Excellent.

British people can't, but your precious fvcking Europeans living 6 to a room can, that's why wages are so low you idealistic imbecile.

 

[Hatterlovesbrighton]

You want facts look at the type of jobs which are being generated. Unemployment is falling with a huge increase in jobs which people cannot afford to live on and which are being propped up by tax-payer funded tax-credits. Excellent.

Yes excellent. People are in employment and are far more likely to be able to move up the income scale by gaining experience and skill in a job than sat on their arse in front of the tv, whilst on the dole.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

British people can't, but your precious fvcking Europeans living 6 to a room can, that's why wages are so low you idealistic imbecile.

Then raise the minimum wage then. It really is that simple.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Yes excellent. People are in employment and are far more likely to be able to move up the income scale by gaining experience and skill in a job than sat on their arse in front of the tv, whilst on the dole.

Oh. I'm sorry I did not realise the ONLY alternative to low pay is benefits. Stupid me.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I agree with you that more well paid jobs need creating but surely it's better someone has their salary topped up than rely entirely on benefits ?

True, but I feel it is the job of the employer to pay a living wage. I'd rather my taxes go to more constructive sustainable ways of helping the economy than simply propping up low wages

 

[beorhthelm]

True, but I feel it is the job of the employer to pay a living wage.

no, its the job of an employer to provide goods or services. employment is a means to an end, not the purpose of a business. if skills are common or the role uneconomical at a certain rate, then the employer shouldn't need to pay more than a sensible market rate. i believe you agree with this, as you hold that companies that "cant afford" higher wages shouldn't be in business.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Anyone who employs staff will be guided by the market rate for their labour. If you pay over the odds you eventually go out of business because either your prices are uncompetitive or your operating costs are too high.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Anyone who employs staff will be guided by the market rate for their labour. If you pay over the odds you eventually go out of business because either your prices are uncompetitive or your operating costs are too high.

Or you're not smart and/or creative enough to be more efficient?

 

[drew]

no, its the job of an employer to provide goods or services. employment is a means to an end, not the purpose of a business. if skills are common or the role uneconomical at a certain rate, then the employer shouldn't need to pay more than a sensible market rate. i believe you agree with this, as you hold that companies that "cant afford" higher wages shouldn't be in business.

You could equally argue that the job of an employer (or more correctly the business owner) is to make money. The provision of goods and services, like employment, is a means to an end. The lower the cost of production and sales then then the more the 'employer' is able to make.

 

[drew]

Anyone who employs staff will be guided by the market rate for their labour. If you pay over the odds you eventually go out of business because either your prices are uncompetitive or your operating costs are too high.

Or you accept a lower profit margin!

 

[Brighton Mod]

Oh. I'm sorry I did not realise the ONLY alternative to low pay is benefits. Stupid me.

Yes stupid you, because education, desire, input, mobility, creativity and necessity are all alternatives to low pay. AS I was waiting to go into the operating theatre, the male nurse was telling me how he had five pay cuts in five years, the last thing I said to him before I became unconscious was, get another job then. Don't whinge and whine and expect someone else to do something about it, make it happen, change your life by making a decision. THE ONLY ALTERNATIVE TO LOW PAY IS NOT BENEFITS!