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Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
39,910
West Sussex
Last night's National Opinion Poll (YouGov):CON - 32% (-1)LAB - 32% (-1)UKIP - 18% (+2)LDEM - 8% (=)GRN - 6% (=)
 




Seagull on the wing

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Sep 22, 2010
7,458
Hailsham
Ah...the utopia that is Socialism.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working,another person must work without receiving.
3.The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from anyone else.
4.You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5.When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half will take care of them,and when the other half get the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they worked for,it is the beginning of the end for any nation!
Just imagine...a political leader addressing his party and he leaves out of his speech the two main issues...now that would be unlikely...er..
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,683
The Fatherland
These polls seem to fluctuate quite a lot. It is very difficult trying to figure out how many seats Ed will win by.
 


Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
62,683
The Fatherland
Ah...the utopia that is Socialism.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working,another person must work without receiving.
3.The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from anyone else.
4.You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5.When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half will take care of them,and when the other half get the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they worked for,it is the beginning of the end for any nation!
Just imagine...a political leader addressing his party and he leaves out of his speech the two main issues...now that would be unlikely...er..

When are you sitting your GCSE?
 


larus

Well-known member
Ah...the utopia that is Socialism.

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working,another person must work without receiving.
3.The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from anyone else.
4.You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!
5.When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half will take care of them,and when the other half get the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they worked for,it is the beginning of the end for any nation!
Just imagine...a political leader addressing his party and he leaves out of his speech the two main issues...now that would be unlikely...er..

The problem is that people with what you would normally class as 'left wing' views will always say that the rich should pay their fair share. However, the real problem IMO is that the super-rich are very good at avoiding paying their fair share of tax, and some governments/jurisdictions around the world will facilitate this, e.g. Luxembourg, Ireland, Isle of Man, Caymen Islands to name a few.

I don't approve of tax rates of more then 40% as I feel it's morally wrong. It's also morally wrong for the super-rich to evade tax. It's morally wrong for people to view welfare as a 'way-of-life/right'.
We have a moral responsibility to :
1. Free healthcare (however, this does not have to be public run).
2. Free education.
3. A welfare state to support the needy (but not the spongers/work-shy).
4. To expect a decent wage which is enough to live on.

The major problem with the UK economy is the mirage of wealth due to house prices and the 'transfer of wealth' from young to old as, in effect, the older generation have gained 'wealth' by the fact that their houses have gone up in value more than inflation. As money is designed to be a 'store of value/wealth', how can you create wealth from a block of bricks going up in value? What benefit has this provided to society to generate this extra wealth. Nothing. (I understand the mechanics of supply/demand, but the reality is that the younger generation are in effect paying inflated prices for houses, as well as paying off the national debt for the spending spree of previous generations). Add into that, the generous pension schemes which many people are currently on, and the whole system is rotten.

Neither party is telling us the truth; we can't afford the model which we want/are being sold. No-one wants to pay taxes (well, unless it's someone else's taxes).
 








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