Gay Marriage - The Vote

[pork pie]

Where do these opponents live and what do they represent, odd how its mainly old fart tory MP's, shame they aren't prevented from standing for parliament...

They live in real places, not pink Brighton, and represent the views of real people, and not the PC brigade. It is so funny watching William Vague advocating it with is wife!

 

[pork pie]

With this lot of shite. is it any wonder the stick we get from other teams' fans?

 

[The Large One]

You are nowhere near as clever as you think you are if you cant fathom that my point , highlighted by my example of the UKIP couple is that it isnt or neednt be a straight choice between the care sytem and gay households , there are plenty of people willing , and able to adopt that cant, due to the system we have in place now, do you think that the bias against the UKIP couple , whether over distinct political affiliations or other factors , was an isolated case , well I dont.

Finally, you've acknowledged that you've answered a different question to the one originally asked.

 

[glasfryn]

With this lot of shite. is it any wonder the stick we get from other teams' fans?

and of coarse there will not be any gay people where they are will there?

 

[supaseagull]

That's the crux of the matter right there. Forget everything else being debated because this is the point at issue for the majority in the "NO" camp. They believe that marriage is exclusively heterosexual. They are not saying that gay people can't have equal rights - just that they can't get married. Gays can have an equivalent ceremony but marriage is something between a man and a woman. I fully understand where they are coming from...I disagree with them but do understand their point and that it isn't one of ignorance or bigotry.

Have I understood correctly, Supaseagull? If so, why are so many others in the pro-gay marriage camp not understanding this?

You've put it perfectly.

 

[pork pie]

and of coarse there will not be any gay people where they are will there?

There will undoubtably be a few, but it is very unlikely they carry on like those in Kemp Town. I can honestly say that I have never seen two blokes holding hands, let alone kissing round here. Have you seen many in Eastbourne?

 

[Southern Toon]

Proper NSC binfest, anyway just been watching the film Brighton Rock (1947) on more 4, main character Pinkie Brown.....Foresight or what ?.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

They live in real places, not pink Brighton, and represent the views of real people, and not the PC brigade. It is so funny watching William Vague advocating it with is wife!

'Out of touchville' Living in their 'One Nation Tory world'

Not sure Brighton has much to do with it, I work all across the country with plenty of people don't have the same equal rights if they want it!

Perhaps I'm out of touch, bar this obviously PC rigged NSC vote what are the Mori polls on what the public think.

 

[User removed 4]

Finally, you've acknowledged that you've answered a different question to the one originally asked.

Not at all.

 

[The Large One]

Do I take it that the vote wis specifically aimed at C of E churches? I would like to see the reaction of the local congregation when the first gay couple approach the imam of a local mosque would be! Ditto the same with a roman catholic church.

Personally I have no view either way as it doesn't affect my beliefs, which are pagan at best, and doesn't affect my daily life. I can see why regular church goers would get all het up...blimey there is open warfare about ordaining women bishops and the Catholics don't even ordain them as priests....

The point of the bill is for an 'opt-in' from religious bodies. In other words, the act of a gay wedding is not being forced on any denomination or individual place of worship, more the approval/legalisation should they wish to do so.

Various religious organisations, including different strands of Christianity, Islam, Judiasm etc are against this bill. However, some strands are in favour.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Proper NSC binfest, anyway just been watching the film Brighton Rock (1947) on more 4, main character Pinkie Brown.....Foresight or what ?.

Brilliant film, Dickie Attenborough is fantastic

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Latest Ipsos MORI Poll

Around three quarters (73%) of British adults think gay people should be allowed to get married to each other while a quarter (24%) do not want to allow gay marriage according to a new Ipsos MORI poll for Freedom to Marry.

Generally older people are more likely to be against gay marriage while young people are more in favour:

15% of 18-34s are opposed to gay marriage while 38% of 65+ do
82% of 18-34s are in favour, compared to 59% of those aged 65+

Conservative supporters are more likely than Labour or Liberal Democrats to say gay people should have civil partnerships only (25%, 13%, 13% respectively) and are less likely to support forcing religious organisations to conduct ceremonies (18% Conservatives, 26% Labour supporters, 37% Lib Dems)

However, allowing gay marriage and not forcing religious organisations to conduct ceremonies is the most popular option among Conservatives as it is for Labour and Liberal Democrat supporters (46%, 53%, 48% respectively).

 

[HawkTheSeagull]

They live in real places, not pink Brighton, and represent the views of real people, and not the PC brigade. It is so funny watching William Vague advocating it with is wife!

So people are pro-gay marriage arent "real people" and only want PC ?

No, people who are voting yes want equality and it is exactly the same feeling around the country (as [MENTION=3347]Horton's halftime iceberg[/MENTION] has just proven above), admittedly more people vote no to it up North of course - as to be expected.

And it has f*** all to do with football, EVERY town in the UK has its share of gay people - perhaps we should give them stick as well.

 

[zeetha]

*raises head abover parapet for once*

As a lesbian who is both in a civil partnership (5 years this year, having been together for over 12) and a Christian I couldn't ignore this debate. Being Civil Partnered does seem 'less' in many peoples eyes (especially as people/companies do not necessarily understand the legalities of it) which is why we would like to be able to describe ourselves as 'Married' to the world legally as well as amongst friends. In addition, I obviously have no problem with gay people getting married even though I'm a Christian as long as (same for straight people) they love and are commited to each other. I don't necessarily agree with the 'quadruple-lock' exemption for Church of England etc as it prevents individual churches from being supportive if they want to be, but I'm guessing this was put in to make it more likely to go through...

Just my two pennys worth...

Z

*ducks back below the parapet*

 

[Albumen]

Just over a quarter actually.

Oh dear. It's tragic how many minds fear the innocent.

 

[Albumen]

With this lot of shite. is it any wonder the stick we get from other teams' fans?

Eh?

 

[Seagull27]

The point of the bill is for an 'opt-in' from religious bodies. In other words, the act of a gay wedding is not being forced on any denomination or individual place of worship, more the approval/legalisation should they wish to do so.

Various religious organisations, including different strands of Christianity, Islam, Judiasm etc are against this bill. However, some strands are in favour.

This completely. I just can't understand why people argue this from a religious perspective. If your church/whatever decides that they don't want to allow gay marriages, then nothing has changed, at all. It makes absolutely no difference to your religion, or to you.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Nick Herbert the Arundel MP giving a great speech in the debate now and even adding in a joke about Elton John

BBC News - Gay marriage: MPs debate plan ahead of Commons vote

 

[User removed 4]

Oh dear. It's tragic how many minds fear the innocent.

About a third now

 

[JamesAndTheGiantHead]

About a third now

I'm no mathematician, but 23.45% does not equate to a third.