Gay Marriage - The Vote

[hans kraay fan club]

That's the crux of the matter right there. Forget everything else being debated because this is the point at issue for the majority in the "NO" camp. They believe that marriage is exclusively heterosexual. They are not saying that gay people can't have equal rights - just that they can't get married. Gays can have an equivalent ceremony but marriage is something between a man and a woman. I fully understand where they are coming from...I disagree with them but do understand their point and that it isn't one of ignorance or bigotry.

Have I understood correctly, Supaseagull? If so, why are so many others in the pro-gay marriage camp not understanding this?

Absolutely.

Absolutely not.

This reasoning is based on a principle that all marriages have a religious basis. This is simply not the case, either legally or historically.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I think it would be great if the gay community came up with a totally new word to describe it.

Today Bob and Trevor got Shapowed! in a local registry office.

All over the world gay couples were getting shapowed daily.

 

[User removed 4]

Absolutely not.

This reasoning is based on a principle that all marriages have a religious basis. This is simply not the case, either legally or historically.

Whose reasoning ? Certainly not mine , if you can have a civil heterosexual wedding , I certainly wouldn't use the religious basis to argue against gay ones.

 

[Buzzer]

This reasoning is based on a principle that all marriages have a religious basis. This is simply not the case, either legally or historically.

Au contraire. A very good mate of mine would love to marry his gay partner but his partner believes marriage is something exclusively between a man and a woman. I think it's okay to hold that view even without religious connotations. I know of a few straight people who think precisely that. It seems to be for them the explicit use of the word "marriage". They all seem happy that civil partnerships are exactly the same for all genders.

 

[Don Quixote]

I always thought the majority of the people that were in favour of gay marriage were the type of people that believed marriage wasn't "necessary". Anti-religious type of liberal, so why on earth are they pushing so much towards homosexual marriage?

 

[Nibble]

In other words you cant...............

No that's righ bushy. You love the lefty's. Yawn. Bore off chap, there's a good fellow.

 

[Gullys Cats]

If two people love each other then why not

 

[User removed 4]

No that's righ bushy. You love the lefty's. Yawn. Bore off chap, there's a good fellow.

In other words you cant ........

 

[Nibble]

The fact is it doesn't matter what people's individual opinions are, what their idea of marriage is, whether they are gay, straight, religious or athiest. The isnstitution of marriage in 2013 should be available for all to enter if they wish. Any other argument is waffle and irrelevence.

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

I think it would be great if the gay community came up with a totally new word to describe it.

Today Bob and Trevor got Shapowed! in a local registry office.

All over the world gay couples were getting shapowed daily.

Garriage?

We are pleased to announce that Reg and Dave will be getting garried next Saturday at St Julians Church. Reception, after, at the Spotted Dog.

 

[Nibble]

In other words you cant ........

Pathetic.

 

[Nibble]

In other words you cant ........

Pathetic.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Garriage?

We are pleased to announce that Reg and Dave will be getting garried next Saturday at St Julians Church. Reception, after, at the Spotted Dog.

Not bad, they should run a big competition with a decent prize.

make a word their own

 

[User removed 4]

Pathetic.

In other words you cant ........

 

[User removed 4]

Pathetic.

In other words you cant ........

 

[Buzzer]

Any other argument is waffle and irrelevence.

Hardly, as this thread has proved. I think most people nowadays accept that a gay relationship is equivalent but different to a heterosexual one. Is it so hard to see that some people believe the same is true of marriage?

 

[pork pie]

The fact is it doesn't matter what people's individual opinions are, what their idea of marriage is, whether they are gay, straight, religious or athiest. The isnstitution of marriage in 2013 should be available for all to enter if they wish. Any other argument is waffle and irrelevence.

Oh right! So it is your way or no way is it? It is unnatural, and should not even be being discussed.

 

[Horton's halftime iceberg]

Where do these opponents live and what do they represent, odd how its mainly old fart tory MP's, shame they aren't prevented from standing for parliament...

 

[pork pie]

In other words you cant ........

Don't even bother, we will both get ourselves banned! lol

 

[Dave the OAP]

Do I take it that the vote wis specifically aimed at C of E churches? I would like to see the reaction of the local congregation when the first gay couple approach the imam of a local mosque would be! Ditto the same with a roman catholic church.

Personally I have no view either way as it doesn't affect my beliefs, which are pagan at best, and doesn't affect my daily life. I can see why regular church goers would get all het up...blimey there is open warfare about ordaining women bishops and the Catholics don't even ordain them as priests....