Gay Marriage - The Vote

[BBassic]

The problem is that "civil partnership" is not marriage, it is set aside as being something special for gay people because they can't have marriage. It creates, for lack of a better term, a class system. Gay couples aren't married like straight people, just "civil partners". Allowing prejudices to persist because "their union isn't like a proper marriage".

Marriage is older than record. It isn't intrinsically linked to any religion, and each religion has their own rules and rituals. Legalising gay marriage is not interfering with religion, refusing to legalise it on religious grounds is religion interfering with law.

Exactly what I wanted to say but owing to an unfortunate deficit of brain cells could not articulate correctly.

 

[Nibble]

Just you wait and see what happens. A same sex couple will want to get married in church. The church will say No. The European courts of human rights will say Yes.
Don't bother me either way, what I am seeing is that the government has opened up a new can of worms, when was there a need for it from the start. Are Gay people really bothered about this? has anybody asked them?

Yep. Quite a few do care deeply. I agree with them. They deserve the same rights as we enjoy. It's 2013, come on in.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Was the creation of homosexual marriages in the Tory party manifesto? I don't seem to remember it, can anyone remember?

I'm not sure what point you're attempting to make ? There's plenty of legislation passed by every government that isn't mentioned in their manifestos. Besides, this is a free vote so why would it need to be in a manifesto.

Personally I'm all for it - I fail to see how it will affect anybody's life unless they are gay and want to get married. It's about time the church stopped sticking it's bigoted oar into law making and got on with spreading it's fairytales to the weak minded.

 

[supaseagull]

Perfectly entitled to your opinion. But can I ask why you think that?

I have two reasons. One is a moral one. I believe that "Marriage" is a union between a man and a woman under the eyes of whatever religion you believe in. I am not perticularly religious so I may come across as sounding highly hypocritical, but it's something I respect within all religions. On the same token, I also strongly disagree with religions which allow men to take multiple wives.

Secondly and probably more importantly, same sex civil partnerships have the highest "divorce" rate in the country and it has increased last year by 28.7% compared to 2010. The whole culture around same sex relationships is completely different to male/female marriages and that is statistically proven by the Office of National Stastics to be more likely to break down.

I'm convinced that if same sex marriage was allowed by the Church of England, that you would get a rush of couples getting married in a Church, just because they can do and not for the correct reasons of having a religious blessing. That happened when Civil Partnerships became law and as I've alluded to above has resulted in roughly a third of them being dissolved.

 

[User removed 4]

I think if you are in a position of power in this country then it is perfectly acceptable to expect them to be up to date and have a sense of what is right. Nobody is lacking compassion whatsoever, I admire some of the political figures that have acknowledged ths and will vote for gay marriage when in th epast tehy would not. I applaud them. I still expect a parliament to be forward thinking and to know what the country wants. If you think that is adolescent I fear the fault lies with you old bean.

How do you know " what the country wants "
, I certainly wouldnt call NSC representative, would you ? , its the forum of the team that represents the town with the biggest gay population in Europe, with a demographic thats a lot younger than the country as a whole. As for the polls showing support, i havent seen any for or against, as we are always being told on NSC , they can be manipulated.

 

[Nibble]

How do you know " what the country wants "
, I certainly wouldnt call NSC representative, would you ? , its the forum of the team that represents the town with the biggest gay population in Europe, with a demographic thats a lot younger than the country as a whole. As for the polls showing support, i havent seen any for or against, as we are always being told on NSC , they can be manipulated.

If it wasn't what the country wants they wouldn't be voting on it. Bushy, you don't always have to fly into a full on attack on left leaning posters or ideas just because you refuse to accept certain ideas.

 

[Nibble]

How do you know " what the country wants "
, I certainly wouldnt call NSC representative, would you ? , its the forum of the team that represents the town with the biggest gay population in Europe, with a demographic thats a lot younger than the country as a whole. As for the polls showing support, i havent seen any for or against, as we are always being told on NSC , they can be manipulated.

If it wasn't what the country wants they wouldn't be voting on it. Bushy, you don't always have to fly into a full on attack on left leaning posters or ideas just because you refuse to accept certain ideas.

Allow me to re-phrase that. If it wasn't an obvious issue there wouldn't be a vote. I suppose time will tell. However, in this rare case it shouldn't be whether the country want it or not, it should be about Gay people being given the right to marry one another. In this rare instance I would say damn those who oppose it, evenif it were the majority. It's nothing to do withthem, nomatter what religious types say.

 

[Mackenzie]

The divorce solicitors will be rubbing their hands.

 

[boik]

Of course it's a "yes".

It's as ridiculous as asking whether 2 ginger people should be allowed to get married, or whether 2 short people should be allowed.

 

[User removed 4]

If it wasn't what the country wants they wouldn't be voting on it. Bushy, you don't always have to fly into a full on attack on left leaning posters or ideas just because you refuse to accept certain ideas.

Show me ANY part of my post that was " an attack on left leaning posters ", if you reall feel that ANYpart of it was , you're an even bigger soft cock than I originally had you down for .

 

[Nibble]

Show me ANY part of my post that was " an attack on left leaning posters ", if you reall feel that ANYpart of it was , you're an even bigger soft cock than I originally had you down for .

And here we go. Doesn't take long for you to get frustrated enough to start hurling insults around does it. Go and have a wank, calm yourself down.

 

[Buzzer]

I believe that "Marriage" is a union between a man and a woman under the eyes of whatever religion you believe in.

That's the crux of the matter right there. Forget everything else being debated because this is the point at issue for the majority in the "NO" camp. They believe that marriage is exclusively heterosexual. They are not saying that gay people can't have equal rights - just that they can't get married. Gays can have an equivalent ceremony but marriage is something between a man and a woman. I fully understand where they are coming from...I disagree with them but do understand their point and that it isn't one of ignorance or bigotry.

Have I understood correctly, Supaseagull? If so, why are so many others in the pro-gay marriage camp not understanding this?

 

[Nibble]

That's the crux of the matter right there. Forget everything else being debated because this is the point at issue for the majority in the "NO" camp. They believe that marriage is exclusively heterosexual. They are not saying that gay people can't have equal rights - just that they can't get married. Gays can have an equivalent ceremony but marriage is something between a man and a woman. I fully understand where they are coming from...I disagree with them but do understand their point and that it isn't one of ignorance or bigotry.

Have I understood correctly, Supaseagull? If so, why are so many others in the pro-gay marriage camp not understanding this?

I think people get it, my point of view is that it is irrelevant what the anti's idea of marriage is.

 

[User removed 4]

And here we go. Doesn't take long for you to get frustrated enough to start hurling insults around does it. Go and have a wank, calm yourself down.

In other words you cant...............

 

[Albumen]

I love it how some are using the christian excuse to vote no. I hope you don't belive in evolution too (or is that OK?). The fact is it's got f*** all to do with the out of date church system, what they believe. Normal functioning human beings (especially in bloody Brighton) know that being gay has nothing to do with belief. It's just sexuality. If two men or two women want to get married, let them.
There should be absolutely NO reason for anyone to vote 'no' here, and I'm a little ashamed a fifth have.

 

[User removed 4]

That's the crux of the matter right there. Forget everything else being debated because this is the point at issue for the majority in the "NO" camp. They believe that marriage is exclusively heterosexual. They are not saying that gay people can't have equal rights - just that they can't get married. Gays can have an equivalent ceremony but marriage is something between a man and a woman. I fully understand where they are coming from...I disagree with them but do understand their point and that it isn't one of ignorance or bigotry.

Have I understood correctly, Supaseagull? If so, why are so many others in the pro-gay marriage camp not understanding this?

Absolutely.

 

[Nibble]

In other words you cant...............

No that's righ bushy. You love the lefty's. Yawn. Bore off chap, there's a good fellow.

 

[User removed 4]

I love it how some are using the christian excuse to vote no. I hope you don't belive in evolution too (or is that OK?). The fact is it's got f*** all to do with the out of date church system, what they believe. Normal functioning human beings (especially in bloody Brighton) know that being gay has nothing to do with belief. It's just sexuality. If two men or two women want to get married, let them.
There should be absolutely NO reason for anyone to vote 'no' here, and I'm a little ashamed a fifth have.

Just over a quarter actually.

 

[Albumen]

What's more welcome in 2013? Equality or the Church? I think we know the answer.

 

[User removed 4]

No that's righ bushy. You love the lefty's. Yawn. Bore off chap, there's a good fellow.

In other words you cant ........