Gangs,where you live ?

[British Bulldog]

I hope I raise him well enough to have his own mind to be able to decide what he wants to do, but I can guarantee you he will not be hanging about outside the quick e mart drinking WKD and being a menace...I'm sure if he does decide to do that, that he will have his father and mother on his case big time...I don't care if its what other kids are doing "these days" or not....

Neither Zef or I did any of that stuff and it remains to be seen as to why some kids feel it necessary to do so....Are their parents at the pub? are their parents completely uninterested in their kids wellbeing? Have the parents not raised their kids to understand that there are much more interesting things to be doing?

But we've disagreed on this before, so I guess we'll have to agree to disagree again....

We all try our best as parents Tede, But i'm affraid we're not helped when you try to dicipline your child for something and they start waving a child helpline card at you that they are given at school. Schools have a bad habit of undermining a parents best intentions at times.

 

[hart's shirt]

The Camel Crew are the most intimidating gang over here in Dubai - nasty pieces of work who hang round in groups in the desert and often spit at whoever comes near.

Anyone with any sense heads to the beach instead.

 

[tedebear]

We all try our best as parents Tede, But i'm affraid we're not helped when you try to dicipline your child for something and they start waving a child helpline card at you that they are given at school. Schools have a bad habit of undermining a parents best intentions at times.

I'm sure the school would agree that underage drinking outside the station or one stop (or whatever that stupid shop is called) is innapropriate behaviour...if the school had more say in my childs discipline than I did, then I've not done my job very well...

Discipline starts at home..

 

[Lord Bracknell]

I'm sure the school would agree that underage drinking outside the station or one stop (or whatever that stupid shop is called) is innapropriate behaviour...if the school had more say in my childs discipline than I did, then I've not done my job very well...

Discipline starts at home..

... but can be undermined at school.

I remember a knifing that took place some years ago just outside a secondary school in Sussex. Two pupils were involved. What did the headteacher say to the local media?

"The incident didn't take place on the school premises, nor did it happen during school time".

An adequate response? I think not.

 

[tedebear]

Possibly, but if we don't teach discipline at home then he hasn't a chance to start with. If the school is doing such a bad job that they are reversing everything that we value as right, then I'd be the first (of probably a queue) of parents at the school to discuss issues.

It would be ludicrous to ignore discipline at home simply because of the assumption it will be undermined at school. I am the daughter of a headmaster don't forget!

 

[bigc]

... but can be undermined at school.

I remember a knifing that took place some years ago just outside a secondary school in Sussex. Two pupils were involved. What did the headteacher say to the local media?

"The incident didn't take place on the school premises, nor did it happen during school time".

An adequate response? I think not.

Which school was that out of interest?

 

[British Bulldog]

Possibly, but if we don't teach discipline at home then he hasn't a chance to start with. If the school is doing such a bad job that they are reversing everything that we value as right, then I'd be the first (of probably a queue) of parents at the school to discuss issues.

It would be ludicrous to ignore discipline at home simply because of the assumption it will be undermined at school. I am the daughter of a headmaster don't forget!

Assuming you can get the school to listen to any of your views in the first place Tede, As i've posted on here before unfortunatly teachers are very hard people to have a grown up conversation with and would rather talk down to you like you dont even know your own child. I agree with what your saying about dicipline starting at home but a lot of it will be undermined during school years, Not just by the schools but by influence from other kids as well. Looking back I can honestly say that the pre-school years were by far the easiest time bringing up my sons.

 

[bhaexpress]

... but can be undermined at school.

I remember a knifing that took place some years ago just outside a secondary school in Sussex. Two pupils were involved. What did the headteacher say to the local media?

"The incident didn't take place on the school premises, nor did it happen during school time".

An adequate response? I think not.

Bearing in mind that so many parents seem to think that discipline is the responsibility of the school and many others regularly undermine the school's authority by complaining about detentions and confiscation of mobile phones I can hardly blame him. Why should he care ?

 

[bigc]

Assuming you can get the school to listen to any of your views in the first place Tede, As i've posted on here before unfortunatly teachers are very hard people to have a grown up conversation with and would rather talk down to you like you dont even know your own child. I agree with what your saying about dicipline starting at home but a lot of it will be undermined during school years, Not just by the schools but by influence from other kids as well. Looking back I can honestly say that the pre-school years were by far the easiest time bringing up my sons.

BB, it can work the other way too. By secondary school, teachers often get awful treatment from parents who don't talk rationally to them, just shouting and making a scene. But then again,in those cases, it's no wonder the child is a bit off the rails.

 

[bigc]

Bearing in mind that so many parents seem to think that discipline is the responsibility of the school and many others regularly undermine the school's authority by complaining about detentions and confiscation of mobile phones I can hardly blame him. Why should he care ?

Precisely...well...that's what I said in different words underneath.

 

[tedebear]

. Looking back I can honestly say that the pre-school years were by far the easiest time bringing up my sons.

I have no doubt at all it's going to get a lot harder, absolutely no doubt at all....

 

[British Bulldog]

BB, it can work the other way too. By secondary school, teachers often get awful treatment from parents who don't talk rationally to them, just shouting and making a scene. But then again,in those cases, it's no wonder the child is a bit off the rails.

Yeah I fully agree with what your saying because i've seen it with my own eyes, Some parents hav'nt got the sense you hope they were born with. All i'm saying is you can only bring up your kids in the best way you think is right, But as a parent you find you do get undermined by other influences as well as you find looking back you do make mistakes as well. Just never expect your children to act and be everything you want them to be because you'll only end up disappointed.

 

[bigc]

Just never expect your children to act and be everything you want them to be because you'll only end up disappointed.

Well they have to learn right from wrong the same way we all did, experience. overt strictness with children growing up often pushes them the other way.

It is stupid though that when most of us are on the same side, we don't always seem to see it.

 

[Questions]

BRING BACK THE BIRCH.


LITTLE BASTARDS HANGING AROUND STREET CORNERS LOOKING SILLY AND UPSETTING TEDE AND HER FAMILY ON THE WAY TO SUNDAY SCHOOL

 

[Lady Bracknell]

Which school was that out of interest?

Lewes Priory. Admittedly then under the "control" of the previous Head Teacher.

 

[fork me]

Thornton Heath Soldierz, Thornton Heath Massive, Croydon Thugz South Croydon Hurt Squad, Addington Headhunters, South Norwood Killaz, Crystal Palace Uzi Patrol, Sydenham D.O.S. (Death on the Streets), Streatham Massive.

Nope no gangs at all!

You forgot the Pikey Persuaders.....

Fork Me

 

[fork me]

We all try our best as parents Tede, But i'm affraid we're not helped when you try to dicipline your child for something and they start waving a child helpline card at you that they are given at school. Schools have a bad habit of undermining a parents best intentions at times.

That depends HOW you try to discipline them.

No "child helpline card" need bother you unless you're doing something illegal.

Fork Me

 

[fork me]

Thats what teenagers do these days.

What do you mean "these days"?

Have teenagers EVER been any different?

Fork Me

 

[SJ's Love Monkey]

You forgot the Pikey Persuaders.....

Fork Me

And you forgot to be witty... oops silly me!

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

My best mate's son was a bit slow at school. Nice quiet, shy boy, but was never going to be a rocket scientist. My mate made the one single mistake of getting him into a school where he was never going to be able to keep up. The lad quickly gave up, started bunking off, hanging around precincts, getting banned from Gatwick. Youth custody, borstal, halfway houses, and every time he got out we'd all go for a meal and he still seemed the same nice quiet shy boy he'd always been. But with a few drinks inside him it was shoplifting, drugs, robbing offies, homelessness, rent-boy stuff, and finally a couple of years ago he murdered one of his punters. Was found covered in blood in the street, they took him to hospital, washed him up - and there wasn't a single mark on him. And the blood wasn't his. He's now serving 14 years for a murder he has absolutely no recollection of doing. My mate remains my best mate, and a lovely man, and beats himself up constantly for enrolling his lad at that school.

Not sure what the moral of that is, other than parents can want the best for their kids and do the best for their kids. But in the end the kid can end up in a very bad place despite the best intentions of the parents.