If a club gets relegated to the championship, wouldn't they have to abide by the FL rules, whether they voted on them or not, or doesn't it work like that.
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If a club gets relegated to the championship, wouldn't they have to abide by the FL rules, whether they voted on them or not, or doesn't it work like that.
KZNSeagull
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One would think so, yes, irrespective of whether they voted for them or not.
Lord Bracknell
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The Courts won't overturn the rules of a private organisation like the Football League. They tend to take the view that, if you don't like the rules, you can always leave.
...and if you get promoted to the Premier League, you do leave!
This is my take as well. Most clubs, businesses and organisation have rules; the FL is no different. If something which contravenes legislation has taken place then it's different. But the FFP was voted in by its members.
I'm not sure of your point.
You accept the rules when you join/re-join the FL.
BensGrandad
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sorry double post
Creaky
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Possibly although where membership of a "private" club is mandatory to carry out your trade they are not always that sympathetic - - - in any case that won't necessarily stop any clubs facing fines in the tens of millions of pounds tieing the League up in court for years.
The League has no other sanction over such clubs other than a financial one as if the they are in the EPL they are no longer subject to League rules.
B.W.
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Hmmm. So, great tho' it is that we appear to be demonstrating integrity by being prudent and complying with FFP, we will NOT gain from our prudence. Meanwhile, the clubs who take the p1ss out of FFP / the FL are going to get away with it. Brilliant, just ****ing brilliant. Where's the incentive to be prudent? If it's not there, then what's the ****ing point of FFP? 
BensGrandad
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That was the point the Law Lords made in the case of Steve Foster when he tried to play in the FA Cup Final. They said that you agreed to abide by the rules of the association when joining irrespective of their legality. The legal aspect of the associations rules was a separate issue that should be dealt as such.
Creaky
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Hmmm. So, great tho' it is that we appear to be demonstrating integrity by being prudent and complying with FFP, we will NOT gain from our prudence. Meanwhile, the clubs who take the p1ss out of FFP / the FL are going to get away with it. Brilliant, just ****ing brilliant. Where's the incentive to be prudent? If it's not there, then what's the ****ing point of FFP?
There is no point in FFP!
HastingsSeagull
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Wouldn't surprise me rate it's going if they allow clubs like QPR to register themselves as charities and have the money back. Plus pay it in 2015? They'll be on their way back down by then having blown the lot. They'll just say they don't have the money to pay the fine!
Joe Gatting's Dad
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The MOS is talking about fines for losses over £18M - is this correct? PB is always going on about making sure we do not breach the £8M loss limit.
Who is right?
Who is right?
ManxSeagull
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My understanding is the level of fine changes at £18m. Is is effective pound for pound over £18m, £10m over the permissible £8m loss.
Clubs promoted to the Premier League will be required to provide Financial Fair Play information for their promotion season by December 1. Any club found to have breached Financial Fair Play regulations will be required to pay a 'Fair Play Tax' on the excess by which the club failed to fulfil the Fair Play requirement, ranging from 1% on the first £100,000 to 100% on anything over £10m.
The Fair Play Tax will be applied at the following thresholds:
(a) 1% of the excess between £1 and £100,000;
(b) 20% of the excess between £100,001 and £500,000;
(c) 40% of the excess between £500,001 and £1,000,000;
(d) 60% of the excess between £1,000,001 and £5,000,000;
(e) 80% of the excess between £5,000,001 and £10,000,000; and
(f) 100% of the excess over £10,000,000
Any proceeds will be distributed equally amongst clubs that have complied with the Financial Fair Play regulations for the season in question.
Agree.
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/financial-fair-play-explained.php
Technically it still is. I believe for things like the champions league the invitation to submit entries is to the FA, and they also oversee all disciplinary matters etc. Problem is, as you describe, the FA are spineless when up against the money men of the premier league.
They don't have to ply there trade in the FL. They could equally operate in the conference. However, if they want to benefit from being members of the FL club then they have to abide by the rules.
I wonder whether this change of heart regarding the fines has anything to do with awaiting ratification of the rules from the Premier League?
KZNSeagull
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Correct for this year - 100% over 18m. Next year 16m, 15m the following year and thereafter.
For an 80m loss this year, they would be fined +- 68.6m.
Kalimantan Gull
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Hull City will be reporting a loss of 28 million in their promotion season last year. I expect most sides in the top 15 in the championship will report a loss of less than 8 million - asides us, and prudent teams in receipt of parachute payments, and a few other well-run clubs
BensGrandad
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So a wealthy chairman/consortium could take a chance and go to £17m (£8m accepted + £9m excess) to gain £120m buy geeting promoted and if they fail gto for it the next yrear but keeping within the udget as they would have the players they need and would only to need to add possibly 1 or 2 free signings.
Leighgull
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Which is, in effect, the gamble some clubs have taken. The problem is that, if you fail to get promoted, you will get absolutely hammered financially.