[Other Sport] F1 2021

[Icy Gull]

well, you simply can not argue with that

I am not holding my breath on that

 

[Deleted member 2719]

The MExico Challenge was bog standard cars, a friend ( now in his mid 70's) told me they used to bend the leaf springs in a press and compress the coils to try and lower the cars a bit, all got very competitive. As you say, a cracking bit of footage.

These are brilliant videos too ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eDmnIt-_7U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cawBXWWgqCI

I am surprised they got away with bending sprung steel, I had one break on my escort, I put it down to some passion with the girlfriend in the back.

Don't go telling me the Hillman Imp and the Vauxhall Viva were standard.

 

[rogersix]

I am not holding my breath on that

there is a certain amount of tenacity, but not a lot of knowledge

 

[Deleted member 2719]

When Merc were S**T.
Hamilton has a slow pitstop.
Cars flying off all over the shop with little or no runoffs, these guys were truly on the limit.
The great Nuvolari drives with a broken leg. Modern-day drivers are pussies in comparison.


https://youtu.be/gpW7wSo8Q9c

 

[Deleted member 2719]

You know that you are talking bollocks!

Three engine failures for Hamilton compared to Rosberg’s none was the only reason Rosberg won and he fecked off from F1 hours afterwards.

Come on Mouldy your RIDICULOUS agenda is making you look a complete MUG

Hamilton the great, should have driven them right and he would have had fewer failures, Rosberg played the long game.

 

[The Wizard]

When Merc were S**T.
Hamilton has a slow pitstop.
Cars flying off all over the shop with little or no runoffs, these guys were truly on the limit.
The great Nuvolari drives with a broken leg. Modern-day drivers are pussies in comparison.


https://youtu.be/gpW7wSo8Q9c

Yet you like Norris and Albon, both of whom are ‘pussies’

It really is about time you just admit your hatred of Lewis is irrational and based on nothing concrete.

 

[Icy Gull]

Hamilton the great, should have driven them right and he would have had fewer failures, Rosberg played the long game.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Yet you like Norris and Albon, both of whom are ‘pussies’

It really is about time you just admit your hatred of Lewis is irrational and based on nothing concrete.

I said I don't like his personality and his world championships do not mark him down to being the best because of the superiority of the Merc.

I am more concerned about a few of you unable to accept my reasoning behind it, do you prefer the Stones or Beatles, Blur or Oasis, Eubanks or Benn or Venables or Mullery

All are good in their own right, he is just not my sort of driver, it just like Grealish we all know he is quite good but a lot think he is a right pr**k.

I really don't get why you guys are so worried about it?

 

[Audax]

*BTW^ The car is not tailored to Verstappen, it’s been proven as a total myth. Verstappen is a generational talent, like Alonso or Hamilton and so is a more adaptable driver who gets more out of his equipment, the idea Red Bull build a car that suits only one of their drivers is farcical.

Based on what I've seen, read, and heard it's not a myth. There's two approaches a team can take: try to build a car that they believe is quick and hope the drivers can get the most out of it, or design a car that will be quick in the hands of the drivers they have.

Red Bull have a track record of doing the latter, and they favour their #1 driver when they do it. They openly admitted they chose development options Vettel preferred over those Webber was happier with.

And the problems they have with the 2020 car have their roots in Verstappen's strength on corner entry. Max likes to turn in late, square off the corner. To maximise that he needs a car with a planted front end and a rear end that both 'sticks' but also facilitates rapid rotation to get the car turned. Its why RB continue with the high rake concept.

The problem is, if you go too far down that route it can create an aero stall condition that can cause the rear to snap away ... exactly as we saw happening in the early races with both drivers.

Verstappen, as a once generational driver, has learned to tame it. Albon didn't. But even Verstappen admitted at the end of the season that the car remains problematic.

 

[The Wizard]

Based on what I've seen, read, and heard it's not a myth. There's two approaches a team can take: try to build a car that they believe is quick and hope the drivers can get the most out of it, or design a car that will be quick in the hands of the drivers they have.

Red Bull have a track record of doing the latter, and they favour their #1 driver when they do it. They openly admitted they chose development options Vettel preferred over those Webber was happier with.

And the problems they have with the 2020 car have their roots in Verstappen's strength on corner entry. Max likes to turn in late, square off the corner. To maximise that he needs a car with a planted front end and a rear end that both 'sticks' but also facilitates rapid rotation to get the car turned. Its why RB continue with the high rake concept.

The problem is, if you go too far down that route it can create an aero stall condition that can cause the rear to snap away ... exactly as we saw happening in the early races with both drivers.

Verstappen, as a once generational driver, has learned to tame it. Albon didn't. But even Verstappen admitted at the end of the season that the car remains problematic.

I’ve researched it and Horner and Marko have both said it’s not true, both drivers are given equal equipment but I think you are half right in that the Red Bull has been difficult to drive at times this year but Verstappen’s talent and level of ability means he is able to adapt to the car but Albon wasn’t, and even IF they did build the car more towards Max, you couldn’t exactly blame them.

The stats behind Albon are fairly shocking to be honest:

Albon average qualifying position: 7th
Verstappen average qualifying position: 3rd

Albon average finishing position:7th
Verstappen average finishing position: 2nd (2.35)

 

[zefarelly]

When Merc were S**T.
Hamilton has a slow pitstop.
Cars flying off all over the shop with little or no runoffs, these guys were truly on the limit.
The great Nuvolari drives with a broken leg. Modern-day drivers are pussies in comparison.


https://youtu.be/gpW7wSo8Q9c

I have driven ( gently) and been taken for a very spirited drive in a race prepared ex works Talbot 105, Christ on a bike they are good for such an old bus. Preselector gearbox which is very slick.

Also helped repair a 1930 RIley Sprite at LMC, took it for a test drive ( sneaky lap) got up to a speed on the Mulsanne where my eyes wouldn't stay open, over 100 mph, Very exciting, bonkers dangerous to race on the limit.

Very different beasts driven by Gentlemen in very different times

 

[Audax]

I’ve researched it and Horner and Marko have both said it’s not true, both drivers are given equal equipment

I never said they don't give them equal equipment. I only said that the development of the car is angled towards Verstappen's preferred driving style, and I believe that hampered Albon. You can give them equal equipment and still be handing a disadvantage to one driver. That's part of the reason Ricciardo jumped ship: he saw that RBR were already angling the car development towards Max. Max is still clearly the superior driver vs Albon, though. If I was in Horner's shoes, I'd also choose to design the car to suit Verstappen. He's a serious talent, it would be stupid to not design the car to get the best out of him.

Suspect if Albon got the same opportunity Gasly did (to go back to the sister team) he'd be revitalised similar to how Gasly was. Red Bull need to find a #2 driver who likes a car designed and set up similar to how Verstappen does. Maybe that will be Perez.

 

[Marty___Mcfly]

The Red Bull ‘Number 2 Driver’ seat is a poisoned chalice.

Webber
Ricciardo
Gasly
Albon

Have all had a miserable time. Personally I think it’s a combination of an ethos to build the team around one driver, and C Horner being a massive tool / douchebag.

Not sure how Perez will do in that scenario but I guess he’s lucky to get into a decent car for next season whatever the circumstance.

The driver line ups etc should make next season reasonably interesting but it may be more about the battle between the 2nd tier teams - Ferrari, RB, Aston, McLaren, Renault- assuming LH dominates another season with Merc.

 

[Hugo Rune]

The Red Bull ‘Number 2 Driver’ seat is a poisoned chalice.

Webber
Ricciardo
Gasly
Albon

Have all had a miserable time. Personally I think it’s a combination of an ethos to build the team around one driver, and C Horner being a massive tool / douchebag.

Nail on head.

 

[Icy Gull]

The Red Bull ‘Number 2 Driver’ seat is a poisoned chalice.

Webber
Ricciardo
Gasly
Albon

Have all had a miserable time. Personally I think it’s a combination of an ethos to build the team around one driver, and C Horner being a massive tool / douchebag.

Not sure how Perez will do in that scenario but I guess he’s lucky to get into a decent car for next season whatever the circumstance.

The driver line ups etc should make next season reasonably interesting but it may be more about the battle between the 2nd tier teams - Ferrari, RB, Aston, McLaren, Renault- assuming LH dominates another season with Merc.

Good point re RB but having seen the way Perez reacted to being dumped for Daddy’s boy and Vettel I think he may be a different kettle of fish to the drivers mentioned. He doesn’t appear to have a massive ego or lose his cool in adversity. I think he might surprise everyone, hope so

 

[Madafwo]

Good point re RB but having seen the way Perez reacted to being dumped for Daddy’s boy and Vettel I think he may be a different kettle of fish to the drivers mentioned. He doesn’t appear to have a massive ego or lose his cool in adversity. I think he might surprise everyone, hope so

He's also not a rookie fresh from a junior formula, he's got 10 years of F1 experience behind him already.

He knows his job is to be Max's #2, pick up the odd win when Max can't and be a thorn in Mercedes side. Hopefully his style suits the way RB have set the car up, clearly for Max as he is their long term prospect and their best chance of winning titles.

An exciting season awaits no matter what, just hope that Lewis wins his 8th title, puts it to bed as being one of the best and gives George a chance in 2022 and ensures that Max nevers wins a title.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

I have driven ( gently) and been taken for a very spirited drive in a race prepared ex works Talbot 105, Christ on a bike they are good for such an old bus. Preselector gearbox which is very slick.

Also helped repair a 1930 RIley Sprite at LMC, took it for a test drive ( sneaky lap) got up to a speed on the Mulsanne where my eyes wouldn't stay open, over 100 mph, Very exciting, bonkers dangerous to race on the limit.

Very different beasts driven by Gentlemen in very different times

What sort of repair, engine gearbox, bodywork?
Sounds fun, lucky you. How were the brakes and handling?

 

[zefarelly]

What sort of repair, engine gearbox, bodywork?
Sounds fun, lucky you. How were the brakes and handling?

Silly stuff, and ignition woes.

B&H generally very good. But the cars are bettter prepared now than they ever were new. And it's all relative.

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Silly stuff, and ignition woes.

B&H generally very good. But the cars are bettter prepared now than they ever were new. And it's all relative.

Of course, I would prefer it if they kept them 100% original to the days they were racing. Shame they can't race on the same surfaces too!

 

[PeterOut]

Of course, I would prefer it if they kept them 100% original to the days they were racing. Shame they can't race on the same surfaces too!

Well, as you can't get the 'original' tyres, nor the 'original' fuel, I don't really see the point of comments like this.