[Albion] Evan Ferguson

[JBizzle]

Like it or not, we can give him another half season as we are not going to be in a relegation battle. It could get very toxic at the Amex if we lose the next two. TB has already shown with Hyypia that a toxic crowd will not swing his decision though.

FH is here until the end of the season, regardless, imo

So you think we should be beating Chelsea twice, and if not the manager will go? Christ, talk about disconnected from reality. We're 10th, not 20th

And on your point I've put in bold, of course he should be ignoring fans. A large proportion of fans are idiots, as well demonstrated on here.

 

[Flounce]

So you think we should be beating Chelsea twice, and if not the manager will go? Christ, talk about disconnected from reality. We're 10th, not 20th

And on your point I've put in bold, of course he should be ignoring fans. A large proportion of fans are idiots, as well demonstrated on here.

Of course I don’t but then I am hardly going to make a toxic atmosphere all on my own, even if I did think we SHOULD be beating them!

I have also said I don’t think the manager will be sacked however shit the rest of the season might turn out to be

I am merely saying what I think will happen if we lose both games, hopefully we won’t and everything will be rosey again. Wembley and Europe back on

 

[oldboyroy]

Like it or not, we can give him another half season as we are not going to be in a relegation battle. It could get very toxic at the Amex if we lose the next two. TB has already shown with Hyypia that a toxic crowd will not swing his decision though.

FH is here until the end of the season, regardless, imo

Exactly! The only way we don't see Fab until the end of season is if he quits. No sign of improvement over next few games and dare I say it, Chelsea batter us in both and Saints beat us then he may well resign!

 

[dwayne]

Exactly! The only way we don't see Fab until the end of season is if he quits. No sign of improvement over next few games and dare I say it, Chelsea batter us in both and Saints beat us then he may well resign!

And give up millions .... I highly doubt it

 

[Hiheidi]

2) Part of the discussion I had over the weekend was the idea that maybe Hurzeler has been taken on as a manager with potential, one for the future, one who will develop and improve over time.

The problem with this is that if he develops and improves, he'll be off (assuming his dream is Bayern Munich) - and a manager isn't like a player where we at least make a bag of money to reinvest.

 

[JBizzle]

Of course I don’t but then I am hardly going to make a toxic atmosphere all on my own, even if I did think we SHOULD be beating them!

I have also said I don’t think the manager will be sacked however shit the rest of the season might turn out to be

I am merely saying what I think will happen if we lose both games, hopefully we won’t and everything will be rosey again. Wembley and Europe back on

Fair enough!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Huerzeler hasn't been convincing all season.
28 games in and the closest we've come to a strong 90 minutes is Norwich (who fielded a significantly weakened team).

plenty of people got carried away with several lucky results in the early games.

The disappointing results against Ipswich/Wolves/Leicester/Southampton/Everton/Palace/West Ham/Fulham/Forest (twice)
Far outweigh the good results from Everton/City/United (twice)/ Spurs/Bournemouth/Arsenal (twice)/Newcastle.

The 20 minutes of good football at Forest has been a constant throughout the season.
We could easily have lost many of the games we won.
Huerzeler talks about consistency and intensity all the time but fails to deliver it.

I don't need any of the rumours of unrest to be true, to know this guy hasn't got it at this level.
He may have it at some point, but we can't afford to develop a young manager at this stage of the club's journey.

Some interesting points, but read that back again.
Without laughing.
You made me think about that Monty Python skit: "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

 

[John Byrnes Mullet]

Just doesn't make any sense to loan him to West Ham. Really gutted.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The problem with this is that if he develops and improves, he'll be off (assuming his dream is Bayern Munich) - and a manager isn't like a player where we at least make a bag of money to reinvest.

The same could be said for employing a good manager. How do you suggest we mitigate this? Sign an average, or a shit, manager?

 

[kevo]

deserved to win?

I don't think we deserved to win the two we threw away, because we threw them away.

The others we definitely didn't deserve to win.
We may have been the better side, had more possession, a few extra low xg shots, but that doesn't mean we deserved to win.

If having more possession, far more shots, a higher xG isn't your definition of 'deserved to win', what is? On the other hand, you are saying all our wins were 'undeserved' and just lucky. Ridiculous.

 

[Steve78]

If Evan starts banging in goals for West Ham, its win win. Either his value goes up & he’s sold for a big fee or he comes back next season a better player than when he left ready to score regularly for us. I hope he does very well for West Ham on loan.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If having more possession, far more shots, a higher xG isn't your definition of 'deserved to win', what is? On the other hand, you are saying all our wins were 'undeserved' and just lucky. Ridiculous.

Once someone has committed to being one-eyed, if the focus of the opprobrium were to ride into the Amex on the back of Shergar towing a trap containing new signings Haarland (it is a big trap), Palmer and the remorseful Cucurella, with a plausible explanation for the previous bad results and a water-tight plan, they would dismiss them as 'all talk' and 'relying on an (non-existent) reputation and 'lucky.
Fact.

 

[Mancgull]

The Southampton away game will be a pivotal one. Win that and it will ease some pressure, along with some players hopefully returning.
Lose to Chelsea in the league and not getting 3 points at Southampton will see us slip down the table further and the pressure will ramp up.
Still agree with most here though that a decision would only be made at the end of the season and if we are say 10th then, he’ll probably stay.
Slip down and he will probably be gone if we have a decent replacement lined up.
If you look at Palace, as hard as it is to say it, their manager has got them playing a very structured way and they are now very hard to beat and sound defensively. Currently we aren’t. The difference isn’t the quality of players IMHO, but the quality in the two respective managers.

 

[oldboyroy]

Stuart Pearce on TS this am. Brighton played quite well but Forest just blew them away!

 

[dwayne]

Stuart Pearce on TS this am. Brighton played quite well but Forest just blew them away!

It was definitely a bloody weird game. Don't think I've ever seen a game where the 7/8//9-0 losing team had more possession and so many shots. The stats looked more like a 1 or 2-0

 

[dwayne]

The Southampton away game will be a pivotal one. Win that and it will ease some pressure, along with some players hopefully returning.

Hmmm. 2 games ago we had a 2 game win run !! That didn't help much. It also looked like players were back then as well.

 

[Taybha]

I see this deal as more of the managers unwillingness or lack of courage to integrate Evan into the team and adapt our play to Evans strengths rather than let's get rid and save some wages for a bit .

Really disappointed if this is the case as it kinda says we have no plan B when we need to change things up.

I get Evan wants as much football as he can get now fit but I just find it a bit mental we're giving a club at or around our level a edge we can't really afford to give away.

Saying that I think he'll score a few the way West Ham seem to want to play and he'll definitely get more minutes under Potter than Hurzeler.
I get it but I don't bloody well agree with it at all.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

If having more possession, far more shots, a higher xG isn't your definition of 'deserved to win', what is? On the other hand, you are saying all our wins were 'undeserved' and just lucky. Ridiculous.

Happy to have a debate on this. But teams with higher xg, possession and more shots regularly do not win games
These stats often indicate styles of play, more than they do who deserved to win.

You stated that our games against lower teams we deserved to win.
Which ones?

Wolves had similar possession, shots and xg so obviously not that one, by your own reasoning.
Leicester had higher xg, & more shots with far more on target, so not that one either.

Southampton?
Palace?
Everton?
West Ham?

that wasn't my experience, I thought we were lucky to get a draw against Southampton, comfortably beaten by Palace, toothless against Everton and West Ham.
Sure we had great stats against Ipswich at home and their keeper had his only great performance of his season, so I'll give you that one.


Are you really sure we have deserved to win our games against lower placed teams?
I don't agree that it's ridiculous to think the opposite of that.

 

[Milano]

Stuart Pearce on TS this am. Brighton played quite well but Forest just blew them away!

That's bollocks. He is a Forest fan so what do you expect.
Thanks to an insane starting 11 and then multiple individuals having complete nightmares we basically blew ourselves away, I didn't think that Forest actually played that well, had they done.......

 

[kevo]

It was definitely a bloody weird game. Don't think I've ever seen a game where the 7/8//9-0 losing team had more possession and so many shots. The stats looked more like a 1 or 2-0

Agreed. Looking at these, you'd maybe predict a defeat but never a thrasing. Forest were great at creating clear-cut chances (unlike us!) and pretty clinical, as they have been all season. The score is better reflected in the xG - 3.23 v 0.8.