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Europe: In or Out

Which way are you leaning?

  • Stay

    Votes: 136 47.4%
  • Leave

    Votes: 119 41.5%
  • Undecided

    Votes: 32 11.1%

  • Total voters
    287
  • Poll closed .


ATFC Seagull

Aberystwyth Town FC
Jul 27, 2004
5,350
(North) Portslade
Personally if offered a choice between "Cameron's reformed deal" and "Brexit" I'd prefer to choose "neither of the above". Probably won't spoil my ballot though as I do have a clear preference between the two.
 




5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
it is a tiny issue financially. from a point of principle, its the tiny end of a substantial wedge: we have lost full control over our own welfare policy. it should be 0, no child abroad (and yes i'd include expats, thats another matter) should be entitled to UK benefits.

What if you're a Polish nurse who applied for a job in the NHS that was advertised in Poland. You move for work and want to bring your child to the UK, but it will take some time. You are entitled to child benefit and it is being used for the benefit of the child, what difference does it make how this nurse chooses to use the benefit to which she is entitled?
 




The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
26,102
West is BEST
On child benefit I'm not saying it's not an issue, or it shouldn't change. But it seems to be blown out of proportion as a wedge issue.

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I'd rather not a penny of my taxes go to feeding some scabby urchin in Albania while his Mum's over here sucking cock for a living and his Dad's purse dipping old dears on London buses. Thanks.
 






beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,985
What if you're a Polish nurse who applied for a job in the NHS that was advertised in Poland. You move for work and want to bring your child to the UK, but it will take some time. You are entitled to child benefit and it is being used for the benefit of the child, what difference does it make how this nurse chooses to use the benefit to which she is entitled?

why don't we send the Polish nurse child benefit and maybe some others while she's applying and waiting on recruitment to complete? seem daft? as daft as just accepting that children abroad are entitled to benefits. it is not much to expect that recipients of benefits or any other welfare payments should be in the country that pay them. this issue points the direction to a EU state with benefits and consequently fiscal policy determined centrally.
 


Czechmate

Well-known member
Oct 5, 2011
1,212
Brno Czech Republic
What if you're a Polish nurse who applied for a job in the NHS that was advertised in Poland. You move for work and want to bring your child to the UK, but it will take some time. You are entitled to child benefit and it is being used for the benefit of the child, what difference does it make how this nurse chooses to use the benefit to which she is entitled?

Then pay them the Polish rate of benefit , after all it is a lot cheaper there .

On another note why are we paying benefits to people out of work here when they could become nurses and work for a living ? If they do not want to do the jobs stop their benefits .
 


Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
I'd rather not a penny of my taxes go to feeding some scabby urchin in Albania while his Mum's over here sucking cock for a living and his Dad's purse dipping old dears on London buses. Thanks.

I think we can be absolutely 100 per cent sure that this is not happening.
 












Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
62,576
The Fatherland
I'd rather not a penny of my taxes go to feeding some scabby urchin in Albania while his Mum's over here sucking cock for a living and his Dad's purse dipping old dears on London buses. Thanks.

I feel your pain....I have to fund the ****ing English.
 




5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
Don't forget in the future Turkey , Ukraine and various other countries want to join the EU , God knows what the mess will be like then :(

I'll buy a CPFC season ticket if Turkey ever joins the EU. It will never happen.
 










French Seagull

Active member
Jul 30, 2014
624
France
Jobs

I have not read all the pages, but we may be doing ourselves out of a job if large firms move their main operations or HQ's from us if we leave.

It would only take people to start moving some operations like banking in the city and the likes of American Express, as well as many types of manufacturing for us to have a loss of many skilled high paid jobs. The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders says that it employs a UK workforce of more than 700,000 at the moment. Would the likes of Honda, Nissan and Jaguar stay? Most big business wants us to stay in the EU.

A number of businesses have already made clear that they will back the campaign to stay in the EU. A source with knowledge of the bid to get businesses to sign a pro-EU letter told The Telegraph: “Businesses are overwhelmingly on side. We will have at least 80 of the FTSE 100. They will sign a letter.

“They will be a powerful voice. It will allow us to make the argument that people will be better-off if we stay in the EU.”


The world is a huge market, I cannot for one second believe that some multinationals will not move most of their operations out of the UK if we leave. I am in.
 




GT49er

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 1, 2009
49,073
Gloucester
What if you're a Polish nurse who applied for a job in the NHS that was advertised in Poland. You move for work and want to bring your child to the UK, but it will take some time. You are entitled to child benefit and it is being used for the benefit of the child, what difference does it make how this nurse chooses to use the benefit to which she is entitled?
The child is Polish. Living in Poland. Therefore it shouldn't be anything to do with us. End of.
 


Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
NSC Patron
Oct 27, 2003
21,507
The arse end of Hangleton
On another note why are we paying benefits to people out of work here when they could become nurses and work for a living ? If they do not want to do the jobs stop their benefits .

As someone that has claimed out of work benefits I'd suggest it was because my 20+ years work in IT didn't qualify me to work as a nurse. I assume you'd be happy for me to treat you ?
 


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