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That would be terrifying. Lose the first game and decent chance you are immediately ****ed.
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[Football] EURO 2020 Thread
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That would be terrifying. Lose the first game and decent chance you are immediately ****ed.
blue-shifted
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Yeh, you like it?
Two decent wins in the next two games would likely see you through.
That's the UK odds, which are short as patriotic punters are always going to lump on England.
edit: Actually, I just looked at the odds here in Spain and England are favourites. English punters on the Costa Del Sol swaying the market?
Interestingly, the Spanish odds are all much more generous.
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Be interesting to see what the odds are in France, Belgium, Germany and Portugal.
madinthehead
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It's about time too. I think I counted thirteen different finalists since it began. No England.
crodonilson
He/Him
I might have a pound on Hungary to fail to get out of their group.
I do agree that 3 qualifying out of the majority of groups is rather uncompetitive and it is worth remembering that 2016 winners Portugal failed to win any of their group games.
I do agree that 3 qualifying out of the majority of groups is rather uncompetitive and it is worth remembering that 2016 winners Portugal failed to win any of their group games.
Mackenzie
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Yeah you’re probably right.
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Every CB in England could be dead of the plague and Southgate would still pick Eric "hasn't had a decent game in 4 years" Dier at centre back ahead of our Lewis.
I think if any Brighton player gets into that squad, it will be Ben White. Would feel a bit weird as both Dunk and Webster are (currently) better.
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Yeah that's the frustrating thing - a lot of fans of other clubs talk up White and rate him, yet - as good as I think he will be - Dunk is currently lightyears ahead of him.
Eggman
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When does fishlips select the squad?
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May 25th, apparently.
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Since when was Jordan managing the England team?!
She'd be bursting out of that waistcoat.
blue-shifted
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Agree.
With White it's all about potential. Does he have the potential to be better than Dunky is now? It's hard to say categorically, as he's in his first season at this level .. but he'll have done well if he surpasses him.
I'll agree that Dunk at White age wasn't as good as White. But those extra couple of inches make a massive difference at this level.
I'm always wary of backing England to do well at a major tournament as more often than not they tend to let you down in spectacular fashion, but there's a strong case for us to do well at these Euros - not least that any route to the final would mean only one game away from Wembley IF we can win the group.
On the group, I've seen suggestions on here that it's a tough one but groups at most European Championships tend to look quite strong. The average FIFA rankings of our opponents is 32.7, the second lowest any top seeded team will face and compared with just 18 for France, whose group looks astonishingly tough.
As for ourselves, this squad really does look to be the best I can recall us taking into a tournament (and my memory of major tournaments ranges just about as far back as Euro 92 - a squad which included Carlton Palmer no less). We have a number of players who are almost unquestionably at the very top table in terms of ability (Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Foden) and several others who you can have a serious debate about (Sancho, Mount, Alexander-Arnold, Chilwell). You can point to weaknesses at centre half but John Stones has been a mainstay of a Man City side with a very good chance of winning the a domestic and European treble this year and for all his foibles, Harry Maguire is not a terrible player.
Few sides have won major tournaments without a great goalkeeper, and I can understand why people have suspicions of Pickford, but I actually think we have two other decent 'keepers in Henderson and Pope if Southgate can see the light.
Granted, this is quite an insular view - there are some other very good players going to be appearing at the tournament; Ronaldo, Mbappe, De Bruyne to name just a handful. But we have a good 7 or 8 players who would get into most sides in this competition as well as some significant depth beyond that, and I can't ever really remember a time where we had such a wealth of talent.
Out in the group stages it is then...
On the group, I've seen suggestions on here that it's a tough one but groups at most European Championships tend to look quite strong. The average FIFA rankings of our opponents is 32.7, the second lowest any top seeded team will face and compared with just 18 for France, whose group looks astonishingly tough.
As for ourselves, this squad really does look to be the best I can recall us taking into a tournament (and my memory of major tournaments ranges just about as far back as Euro 92 - a squad which included Carlton Palmer no less). We have a number of players who are almost unquestionably at the very top table in terms of ability (Kane, Sterling, Rashford, Foden) and several others who you can have a serious debate about (Sancho, Mount, Alexander-Arnold, Chilwell). You can point to weaknesses at centre half but John Stones has been a mainstay of a Man City side with a very good chance of winning the a domestic and European treble this year and for all his foibles, Harry Maguire is not a terrible player.
Few sides have won major tournaments without a great goalkeeper, and I can understand why people have suspicions of Pickford, but I actually think we have two other decent 'keepers in Henderson and Pope if Southgate can see the light.
Granted, this is quite an insular view - there are some other very good players going to be appearing at the tournament; Ronaldo, Mbappe, De Bruyne to name just a handful. But we have a good 7 or 8 players who would get into most sides in this competition as well as some significant depth beyond that, and I can't ever really remember a time where we had such a wealth of talent.
Out in the group stages it is then...
PeakGull
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Euro 2020 (2021) Spreadsheet
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Spreadsheet attached for you all to have fun with
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Spreadsheet attached for you all to have fun with
I think the main issue for England is that most other "top" teams are going to eat your central midfield.
blue-shifted
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Rice and Phillips isn't the best midfield in the tournament but it's competitive.