[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Perhaps the best single bit of news in the whole exercise was that Tommy Robinson failed to get elected.

 

[nicko31]

As predicted the Brexit party won the largest share as UKIP did in 2014

35% voted for a no deal Brexit parties, hardly a ringing endorsement for that to go ahead.

Tories are now boxed into a terrible place

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

As predicted the Brexit party won the largest share as UKIP did in 2014

35% voted for a no deal Brexit parties, hardly a ringing endorsement for that to go ahead.

Tories are now boxed into a terrible place

It's more stark than that.

1/3rd of the electorate bothered to vote, so overall it is about a 12% 'mandate'.

 

[nicko31]

Perhaps the best single bit of news in the whole exercise was that Tommy Robinson failed to get elected.

Also the surge to the Far Right across European hasn't happened, gains in some countries, losses in others.

So those Brexiteers dreaming that Europe as going to throw away the rule book for English nationalist interests, forget it...

 

[cunning fergus]

It's more stark than that.

1/3rd of the electorate bothered to vote, so overall it is about a 12% 'mandate'.

Ha, this makes you sound like someone who would respect the outcome of an electoral process if only the turnout was, say, 73%..........I’ve got a feeling if that kind of turnout was achieved but the result isn’t want you wanted you would have another brickbat up your sleeve.

Its a kind of bollocks to democracy type of view.

 

[darkwolf666]

Well the interesting thing about this poll was that the Brexit party vote pretty much mirrored our poll result, whereas LibDems did considerably worse. Not sure what that tells you, other than the less thinking man (non NSCers), voted with party loyalties and not single issue.

 

[neilbard]

Anna Soubry on Sky News, "We didn't do badly", having failed to win a single seat.

 

[nicko31]

Ha, this makes you sound like someone who would respect the outcome of an electoral process if only the turnout was, say, 73%..........I’ve got a feeling if that kind of turnout was achieved but the result isn’t want you wanted you would have another brickbat up your sleeve.

Its a kind of bollocks to democracy type of view.

Face it buddy 2/3 of the electorate don't want a no deal Deal Brexit. What happened to Farage getting 52%?

 

[Is it PotG?]

Pleasing result, overall.

 

[cunning fergus]

Face it buddy 2/3 of the electorate don't want a no deal Deal Brexit. What happened to Farage getting 52%?

I get it, we don’t always doesn’t get what we want, that’s life, it always has been and always will.

Sometimes those that govern us make political decisions that are effectively binary, like (say) how to deal with fox hunting, or going to invade another country.

There is no halfway house, it’s a straightforward for or against issue, and in a democracy it’s a fact that you can’t bring everyone on that journey.

The country had a referendum on an issue that was for or against.......in or out, and the result was out. Anyone using electoral statistics etc. 3 years after that point to justify a reversal of that democratic process is no advocate of the democratic process (with all its flaws).

That is the fact to be faced buddy.

 

[portslade seagull]

It's more stark than that.

1/3rd of the electorate bothered to vote, so overall it is about a 12% 'mandate'.

A bit like the GE then. No change there then unless you think GE are also not representative

 

[nicko31]

Anna Soubry on Sky News, "We didn't do badly", having failed to win a single seat.

They didn't do well but if you didn't vote for Change for voted for another remain party, so who cares. Change would be better off joined to Lib Dems.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Ha, this makes you sound like someone who would respect the outcome of an electoral process if only the turnout was, say, 73%..........I’ve got a feeling if that kind of turnout was achieved but the result isn’t want you wanted you would have another brickbat up your sleeve.

Its a kind of bollocks to democracy type of view.

Oh come on, you know full well the lower the turnout the less significant the result. The fact is despite the loud voices in the media constantly yelling betrayal and that the people want a hard brexit only 12% of the electorate came out to vote for it., but like typical bexit true believer you're trying to spin this as some sort of tsunami of popular opinion

 

[KZNSeagull]

It's more stark than that.

1/3rd of the electorate bothered to vote, so overall it is about a 12% 'mandate'.

It's a 67% mandate for "Don't give a toss" rather. That is the most troubling thing.

 

[nicko31]

I get it, we don’t always doesn’t get what we want, that’s life, it always has been and always will.

Sometimes those that govern us make political decisions that are effectively binary, like (say) how to deal with fox hunting, or going to invade another country.

There is no halfway house, it’s a straightforward for or against issue, and in a democracy it’s a fact that you can’t bring everyone on that journey.

The country had a referendum on an issue that was for or against.......in or out, and the result was out. Anyone using electoral statistics etc. 3 years after that point to justify a reversal of that democratic process is no advocate of the democratic process (with all its flaws).

That is the fact to be faced buddy.

Who mentioned no deal in 2016? It was all supposed to be sunny uplands, they need us more than we need them, easiest deal in history, Brexit dividends etc, etc...

We another vote to settle things once and for all, NO DEAL or NO BREXIT

You guys need to tell the truth what no deal means...

 

[cunning fergus]

Oh come on, you know full well the lower the turnout the less significant the result. The fact is despite the loud voices in the media constantly yelling betrayal and that the people want a hard brexit only 12% of the electorate came out to vote for it., but like typical bexit true believer you're trying to spin this as some sort of tsunami of popular opinion

I suspect in the aftermath of 2008 less than 12% of the public wanted to bail out banks with QE and effect austerity on the poor but the ruling Govt did it anyway.

If to leave the EU it means leaving with no deal then so be it, no problem.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Perhaps the best single bit of news in the whole exercise was that Tommy Robinson failed to get elected.

I’m saddened and disturbed that anyone actually voted for this vile little man.

He got 38k+ votes. That’s a A LOT of knuckle draggers, enough for a Zombie apocalypse I believe.

 

[bazbha]

Who mentioned no deal in 2016? It was all supposed to be sunny uplands, they need us more than we need them, easiest deal in history, Brexit dividends etc, etc...

We another vote to settle things once and for all, NO DEAL or NO BREXIT

You guys need to tell the truth what no deal means...

I don't think many people actually want No Deal. A good deal would be preferable but we must be prepared to walk away if necessary to have the best chance of getting a decent deal. That's just common sense. Blair & co constantly telling the EU we can't possibly leave without a deal just weakens our position and means we don't get anything even close to acceptable. That suits Blair & co just fine obviously as they can then push to stop Brexit all together.

 

[jonny.rainbow]

I don't think many people actually want No Deal. A good deal would be preferable but we must be prepared to walk away if necessary to have the best chance of getting a decent deal. That's just common sense. Blair & co constantly telling the EU we can't possibly leave without a deal just weakens our position and means we don't get anything even close to acceptable. That suits Blair & co just fine obviously as they can then push to stop Brexit all together.

Yep. That strategy has worked perfectly so far. Keep it up I say.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I don't think many people actually want No Deal. A good deal would be preferable but we must be prepared to walk away if necessary to have the best chance of getting a decent deal. That's just common sense. Blair & co constantly telling the EU we can't possibly leave without a deal just weakens our position and means we don't get anything even close to acceptable. That suits Blair & co just fine obviously as they can then push to stop Brexit all together.

Common sense tells us that we won't convince the EU we are ready for 'no deal' by running a dredger for a couple of days and driving 80 trucks and a dustcart down the M20.

Common sense tells us that if we invested a few 10s of Billions putting customs posts in Northern Ireland, building lorry parks at all the ports, putting IT infrastructure in place, designing, building and testing systems and recruiting and training staff to operate the new 'no deal' procedures and tariffs, then the EU would probably believe we are serious about 'no deal'. Of course, this may well take a few years.

Or maybe we could just tell them we are serious about it in a very stern manner and convince them that way