[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[Simster]

Sorry but that just isn't true.

Clegg and his 'Orange Bookers' were firmly right of centre. That is why they felt so comfortable jumping into bed with the likes of Cameron and Osborne, who were further to the right economically, but did share their socially liberal views.

We're arguing two different things I think. I'm not disputing that Clegg was further right than Ashdown or Steel, but at any point in time they have never been anything other than further right of Labour but further left of the Conservatives. They have always been the natural home of those uncomfortable with voting for the two main parties.

 

[WATFORD zero]

can those that want another referendum tell me what happen if the vote again is 52/48 either way

If the referendum actually has implementable options rather than generic terms.

Remain 52/48 - Remain
Deal with Customs Union 52/48 - Do deal with Customs Union
'No Deal' with NI Border 52/48 - Hunker down

For me, 'No deal' would be the worst, but as me and Mrs Wz are retired with a private income, we probably wouldn't be that badly effected. Luckily my kids have both finished education and have a few years experience in good careers. Although if things get really bad, I could see them both moving abroad.

People who voted remain and are still needing to work, have mortgages, young kids etc will have my deepest sympathies.
People who voted 'No deal' and still need to work etc - F*** them - they have had enough chances.

But I have no doubt that whatever got the majority would be implemented and rightly so.

 

[Bold Seagull]

Your whole post is based on your own subjective wording: "Their natural position in politics is to oppose any politics right of center [sic]"

That is total nonsense. They represent the centre-ground and always have done, and they were formed because people were tired of being faced with two massive and often extreme blocs. Look at the state of the country now without a strong central voice! Two utterly shithouse feeble, weak main parties making a mess of the country.

And anyway, none of your post makes any concession to the fact that the Lib Dems were clearly the junior partner. They were faced with a choice of allowing the Tories to form a government on a confidence and supply arrangement (like the DUP) or playing a part themselves. You've conveniently ignored some of their own successes that would never have happened under the Tories, notably that tax breaks were cut for the richest and banks were reformed. Regardless, they'll learn their lesson. I'm sure in hindsight that the LibDems wouldn't form a government in these circumstances again.

It's not subjective, it is the political history of the party going back over 100 years, to forming an alliance with the SDP to present day. New Liberalism at the start of the C20th was the very foundations of what would be our welfare state. Asquith and Lloyd George were left of center as was social liberalism. The later alliance with the SDP was completely natural because both were left of centre. Not total nonsense at all. They've always opposed anything right of center going back to when they were Whigs at the time of Charles II.

I'm not ignoring anything really, I giving you an opinion as to my 4m voters deserted them. You think that was unfair, I'm saying the majority of them were of the politics left of centre which you are calling nonsense, if that were true, given the coalition was probably as close to the centre as the Tories have ever been, they wouldn't have lost 4m people, simple as that.

 

[Mellotron]

May's Withdrawl Agreement isn't Brexit.

Yes it is. It categorically is. Whether you like it or not is another matter.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

can those that want another referendum tell me what happen if the vote again is 52/48 either way

The issue isn't the winning margin.

 

[A1X]

Shameful.

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[nicko31]

Shameful.

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Expats living in Europe let down as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48351281

 

[nwgull]

Drunk? Or a turd? Which are you?

Either is better than racist gammon.

 

[Eeyore]

Expats living in Europe let down as well

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48351281

Why our UK folk abroad known as ex-pats and EU folk who come here called 'Immigrants' ?

 

[El Presidente]

Either is better than racist gammon.

As someone who is still undecided and lives in the North West, where would you recommend I stick my remain vote for maximum impact?

 

[GT49er]

The Brexit party are offering no solutions to the problems that have caused the stalemate. As I say, a vote for them is the equivalent of standing outside parliament and shouting loudly "WE WANT OUT".

As opposed to standing outside Parliament (or outside No.10, trying to get on TV when Mrs. May is leaving) with a placard saying 'Stop Brexit now'?

To which we'd reply, yes my lamb, we know you feel entitled ................................

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Be glad when this vote is done and over with. We can all get on with our life. Fing politics.

 

[Frankie]

The word voting should be replaced for something a little more relevant, I'm trying to think of a word that encapsulates our failed democratic system, and it is not easy, it's a shame we won't be playing Ipswich this season as they could of come up with a trendy banner incorporating the word I can't think of as yet.

 

[KZNSeagull]

I had a leaflet through the door last night from North East for Europe urging me to vote for a remain party. The parties listed are Change UK, Green, Lib Dems and, interestingly, Labour. So now we know where the Labour Party stand on this topic this week.

 

[A1X]

As someone who is still undecided and lives in the North West, where would you recommend I stick my remain vote for maximum impact?

Green Party, according to this.

https://www.remainvoter.com/how-to-vote-north-west

 

[A1X]

Be glad when this vote is done and over with. We can all get on with our life. Fing politics.

This vote doesn't resolve anything, Brexit will still be there and the problems that exist today will still exist in June, August and at the Heat Death of the Universe. We are still at the three options.

1. Vote through a Deal
2. Crash out on No Deal
3. Revoke Article 50 and Remain

Either of the first options leads to even more Brexit stuff. As per this;

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[nicko31]

This vote doesn't resolve anything, Brexit will still be there and the problems that exist today will still exist in June, August and at the Heat Death of the Universe. We are still at the three options.

1. Vote through a Deal
2. Crash out on No Deal
3. Revoke Article 50 and Remain

Either of the first options leads to even more Brexit stuff. As per this;

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Excellent article and not too long winded.

Dunt tells it like it is. That is where we are, surprised anyone wants the next job as PM. They will be destroyed as well...

 

[amexer]

If the referendum actually has implementable options rather than generic terms.

Remain 52/48 - Remain
Deal with Customs Union 52/48 - Do deal with Customs Union
'No Deal' with NI Border 52/48 - Hunker down

For me, 'No deal' would be the worst, but as me and Mrs Wz are retired with a private income, we probably wouldn't be that badly effected. Luckily my kids have both finished education and have a few years experience in good careers. Although if things get really bad, I could see them both moving abroad.

People who voted remain and are still needing to work, have mortgages, young kids etc will have my deepest sympathies.
People who voted 'No deal' and still need to work etc - F*** them - they have had enough chances.

But I have no doubt that whatever got the majority would be implemented and rightly so.

If 2nd referendum was again 52/48 for Brexit why would be easier to implement

 

[nwgull]

Be glad when this vote is done and over with. We can all get on with our life. Fing politics.

Don't get your hopes up. This has got months/years to run after today. All today's vote does is provide some sort of barometer on where public opion lies:

Brexit Party, UKIP - No Deal
Libs, Green, CHUK, SNP, PC - Remain
Labour - Soft Brexit
Cons - Habit

 

[Marshy]

I wont be voting and that's a first.