[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[A1X]

It is hard to remember a major election where the two main parties have been almost after-thoughts in such a way TBH, Labour have basically put themselves into an electoral no mans land where neither side much fancies giving them any support and the Tories just CBA

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Don't get your hopes up. This has got months/years to run after today. All today's vote does is provide some sort of barometer on where public opion lies:

Brexit Party, UKIP - No Deal
Libs, Green, CHUK, SNP, PC - Remain
Labour - Soft Brexit
Cons - Habit

I'm not sure that's where Labour stand - don't think anyone is - but they do appear to be moving more towards a second vote.

 

[nwgull]

I'm not sure that's where Labour stand - don't think anyone is - but they do appear to be moving more towards a second vote.

Neither am I, but it seems to be the closest to official policy that I can see.

 

[Is it PotG?]

If 2nd referendum was again 52/48 for Brexit why would it be easier to implement

Indeed, I've always thought this. The sole reason for another bash (or best of 3) is the assumption Hotel Californiates would win. Imagine the shrugs and looks of 'Now what?' should Leave win yet again.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

This is scandalous. EU citizens being denied the right to vote in today's elections. This from the Tory Evening Standard.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...-stations-in-european-elections-a4149581.html

EU citizens living in the UK claimed today they were turned away from polling stations and unable to vote in the European elections.

Within hours of the polling booths opening, the hashtag #deniedmyvote was trending on Twitter.

Administrative errors, a lack of correct forms being sent out to voters and late registration were blamed for the inability of people to cast their ballot.

Agata Patnya, an immigration and human rights barrister, tweeted: “Turned away from polling station this morning. Told I should vote in my EU member state.

“I registered before the deadline. Have been here since 2005. Voted many times before. This is my member state.”

Marcella Finazzi wrote on Twitter: “Just went to vote this morning with my orange poll card and I was told I cannot vote because I figure as Italian citizen not British Italian.”

Another user showed photos of her registration with a London borough council but claimed she was still turned away.

“As an EU citizen I was denied my right to vote in the hostile UK,” she wrote on Twitter.

Lewisham Council were among the boroughs helping voters this morning after they found themselves unexpectedly unable to vote.

They asked people listed as “ineligible to vote” when they turned up to their polling station to call them and they would try and investigate.

 

[A1X]

Indeed, I've always thought this. The sole reason for another bash (or best of 3) is the assumption Hotel Californiates would win. Imagine the shrugs and looks of 'Now what?' should Leave win yet again.

If Leave were actually prepared to outline a plan this time maybe there wouldn't be the same problems again?

 

[Baker lite]

Either is better than racist gammon.

You’re right, don’t think the Labour Party is gonna do well.

 

[Two Professors]

As someone who is still undecided and lives in the North West, where would you recommend I stick my remain vote for maximum impact?

If I told you where to stick it,I would be banned from this thread,as well as the Brexit one!

 

[nicko31]

Couple questions fit for the day...

a) Why are ballot papers marked with a pencil and not a pen? Surely a vote with a pencil could be altered...

b) Why do you not need to present proof of address or a polling card? What's not to stop someone nicking someone else's vote, easily done esp at another polling station

Everything about our electoral system seems out of date

 

[A1X]

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[Greg Bobkin]

I wont be voting and that's a first.

How come?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

I wont be voting and that's a first.

How come?

Because he hasn't done it before.

 

[WATFORD zero]

If 2nd referendum was again 52/48 for Brexit why would be easier to implement

Because, as I said in my first post, 'Brexit' is a generic term which isn't implementable, so it wouldn't be 52/48 for 'Brexit'

It would be 52/48 for Deal with Customs Union
or 52/48 for 'No Deal' with NI Border

both of which are implementable. Brexit is impossible to implement if you can't define what Brexit is

 

[WATFORD zero]

Indeed, I've always thought this. The sole reason for another bash (or best of 3) is the assumption Hotel Californiates would win. Imagine the shrugs and looks of 'Now what?' should Leave win yet again.

I will try and explain it again as simply as I can - 'Leave' is a concept that has no definition, therefor can't be implemented and, as a consequence, wouldn't be on the referendum. (The last 3 years should have given you a little clue as to how implementable the term 'Leave' is).

You could then try reading the post again.

If the referendum actually has implementable options rather than generic terms.

Remain 52/48 - Remain
Deal with Customs Union 52/48 - Do deal with Customs Union
'No Deal' with NI Border 52/48 - Hunker down

For me, 'No deal' would be the worst, but as me and Mrs Wz are retired with a private income, we probably wouldn't be that badly effected. Luckily my kids have both finished education and have a few years experience in good careers. Although if things get really bad, I could see them both moving abroad.

People who voted remain and are still needing to work, have mortgages, young kids etc will have my deepest sympathies.
People who voted 'No deal' and still need to work etc - F*** them - they have had enough chances.

But I have no doubt that whatever got the majority would be implemented and rightly so.

Imagine how hard it would be to explain this if Leave voters were really as thick as some of those nasty old remainers claim

 

[Is it PotG?]

I will try and explain it again - 'Leave' is a concept that can't be implemented and, as a consequence wouldn't be on the referendum. (The last 3 years should have given you a clue to this).




Imagine how hard it would be to explain this if Leave voters were really as thick as some of those nasty old remainers claim

You ARE funny, you makes I larrffff

 

[amexer]

Because, as I said in my first post, 'Brexit' is a generic term which isn't implementable, so it wouldn't be 52/48 for 'Brexit'

It would be 52/48 for Deal with Customs Union
or 52/48 for 'No Deal' with NI Border

both of which are implementable. Brexit is impossible to implement if you can't define what Brexit is

Am I right in thinking Brexiteers and remainers would both want different things on a ballot paper. Who decidesWho decides what is put on a ballot paper.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Am I right in thinking Brexiteers and remainers would both want different things on a ballot paper? Who decides what is put on a ballot paper?

[MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] would, has all the answers apparently.

 

[theboybilly]

Green Party.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Am I right in thinking Brexiteers and remainers would both want different things on a ballot paper. Who decidesWho decides what is put on a ballot paper.

Well, whatever went on the paper would need to have a definition that would allow it to be implemented. (See the three options on my post).

I think remainers would want Remain on the Ballot paper. I don't know what Brexiteers would want because they can't seem to make up their minds between the other two options and are constantly voting against one another in the British Parliament to stop any form of Brexit. That is why, 3 years on, it is still such a clusterf***.

A referendum with clear implementable options is one way ahead. If it offers an alternate vote, then Brexiteers couldn't claim that their vote is being split between the options.

It's all explained here

Here you go ^

*edit*

[MENTION=396]WATFORD zero[/MENTION] would, has all the answers apparently.

Well apparently, I have this answer

 

[surrey jim]

Am I right in thinking Brexiteers and remainers would both want different things on a ballot paper. Who decidesWho decides what is put on a ballot paper.

Per this link : https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/second-referendum-brexit

Parliament would specify the question to be put to the people in any legislation authorising a second referendum. However, under the terms of the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) the Electoral Commission has a statutory role to play in assessing a referendum question, to ensure it is intelligible and free from bias.