[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[amexer]

can those that want another referendum tell me what happen if the vote again is 52/48 either way

 

[WATFORD zero]

Perhaps I should have said "if Brighton had ANY history as an independent state....."

I shouldn't have replied to your whataboutery, my mistake.

You're better off sticking to a selection of

We won, get over it
On our way
Easiest deal in history
Brexit means Brexit
No deal
Undemocratic loons
Tick Tock

Trust me

 

[Two Professors]

Mussolini's bad stuff happened decades ago. It doesn't mean he deserves rehabilitation in the public mindset.

But Voroshilov,Chairman Mao,and Josef Stalin are ok?

 

[Simster]

The Lib Dems were born of the left, they have always represented right of Labour but left of center. Their manifesto was fairly left for them, mansion tax, tuition fees, no renewel of trident, scraping of nuclear power, environmental measures etc. etc. not met, not met, not met, not met...goes the tick boxes of what they achieved for their voters. Their natural position in politics is to oppose any politics right of center, not prop them up. Even the UN are now calling the policies of the coalition and this Tory government as comparable to that of Victorian workhouses.

The Tories weren't hammered because their only gripe from their voters was a few concessions. They didn't exactly make huge gains in 2015, only enough to get them over the line, hence May fancied another go in 2017.

The Lib Dems were punished only by those people who voted for one thing and got another. Tories voters largely got what they wanted, there was no punishment to be made.

Your whole post is based on your own subjective wording: "Their natural position in politics is to oppose any politics right of center [sic]"

That is total nonsense. They represent the centre-ground and always have done, and they were formed because people were tired of being faced with two massive and often extreme blocs. Look at the state of the country now without a strong central voice! Two utterly shithouse feeble, weak main parties making a mess of the country.

And anyway, none of your post makes any concession to the fact that the Lib Dems were clearly the junior partner. They were faced with a choice of allowing the Tories to form a government on a confidence and supply arrangement (like the DUP) or playing a part themselves. You've conveniently ignored some of their own successes that would never have happened under the Tories, notably that tax breaks were cut for the richest and banks were reformed. Regardless, they'll learn their lesson. I'm sure in hindsight that the LibDems wouldn't form a government in these circumstances again.

 

[WATFORD zero]

But Voroshilov,Chairman Mao,and Josef Stalin are ok?

I see you are staying off the British Steel thread. Just try not to embarrass yourself on this one

Too late

 

[Steve in Japan]

You're better off sticking to a selection of

We won, get over it
On our way
Easiest deal in history
Brexit means Brexit
No deal
Undemocratic loons
Tick Tock

Trust me

Not at all. As I said (very evenhandedly)

If you are happy with the assumption (made generously on your behalf, by John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) that you want to be part of the EU, then vote for any party whose name doesn't start with a B. Or don't vote at all.

If you believe in a nation state, with a Government accountable to it's own people, vote Brexit.

Simple choice today for both sides of the debate.

 

[Simster]

But Voroshilov,Chairman Mao,and Josef Stalin are ok?

Out of interest, what has that got to do with the point being made, which was that just because bad stuff was done ages ago doesn't mean we should forgive and forget?

Is it because he chose a right wing madman rather than a communist one? Of course it is. Just another moronic post from you.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Not at all. As I said (very evenhandedly)

If you are happy with the assumption (made generously on your behalf, by John Major, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown) that you want to be part of the EU, then vote for any party whose name doesn't start with a B. Or don't vote at all.

If you believe in a nation state, with a Government accountable to it's own people, vote Brexit.

Simple choice today for both sides of the debate.

And round and round we go

The parliament that is being elected today can't enact Brexit granting a nation state, with a Government accountable to it's own people. And all the while Brexit supporters keep voting down one another's Brexit proposals in the UK parliament we will continue to stay in the EU.

So you are asking people to vote for MEPs that won't turn up, participate or represent Britain's interests in a Parliament that you are constantly extending our membership to, because Brexiteers keep voting against one another in the British Parliament, which is the one that can enact Brexit.



Here is how this started. The trouble when I explain it simply, I get accused of being condescending

I believe that the Town of Brighton should be a separate state, accountable to it's own people. If I keep voting for Brighton councillors in national elections, that will definitely make it happen

 

[Simster]

HE wants to, yes, but WE want that too - or at least a majority of us do, as indicated by the result of the referendum. Parliament needs to be bullied into it, if that's what it takes to remind them of their responsibilities to keep their promise to respect the outcome.

There is an old saying (Indian in origin, I believe) which goes, 'My enemy's enemy is my friend'. Currently the Westminster politicians trying to f*** up and or thwart Brexit are my enemy.

The Brexit party are offering no solutions to the problems that have caused the stalemate. As I say, a vote for them is the equivalent of standing outside parliament and shouting loudly "WE WANT OUT".

To which I'd respond: Yes love, we know. You want to be treated as a political force, well how about come up with a solution then? And perhaps be a little less underhand than to campaign on a populist ticket with absolutely no manifesto to which we can hold you accountable.

 

[Simster]

can those that want another referendum tell me what happen if the vote again is 52/48 either way

Yes, if it's 52/48 in favour of Brexit and we don't leave within 5 minutes without a deal, then it's betrayal of the people.
If it's 52/48 in favour of remain then it's unfinished business.

 

[highflyer]

They represent the centre-ground and always have done

Sorry but that just isn't true.

Clegg and his 'Orange Bookers' were firmly right of centre. That is why they felt so comfortable jumping into bed with the likes of Cameron and Osborne, who were further to the right economically, but did share their socially liberal views.

 

[Mellotron]

No. Brexit, once achieved, is the gateway to returning to normal politics in this country. Going back to voting for the party which overall best reflects your views. Currently Brexit is the only issue.

Not really - the big push - which will only get bigger and bigger, if you look at voting demographics as the years go - will be to get Britain BACK into the EU. Matter of time.

We will be talking about Britain's membership of the EU for at least the next 10-15 years, easily.

 

[Mellotron]

Heart says Green but will be going with my head and voting Lib Dem as the remain party with the biggest projection at the moment.

This is where I am torn. I have moments where I acknowledge that things like climate change are a lot bigger than Brexit, so my ideological vote would go to the Greens, as the party who take the reality the most seriously. Then I come back to Brexit...

 

[nicko31]

The Brexit party are offering no solutions to the problems that have caused the stalemate. As I say, a vote for them is the equivalent of standing outside parliament and shouting loudly "WE WANT OUT".

To which I'd respond: Yes love, we know. You want to be treated as a political force, well how about come up with a solution then? And perhaps be a little less underhand than to campaign on a populist ticket with absolutely no manifesto to which we can hold you accountable.

The thing we've learnt about Brexit is it sounds a good idea until you have to write it down and explain the detail, then it all falls apart

So best keep details to a minimum and stick with slogans like "No deal, no problem", "Leave means Leave", "No deal is better than a bad deal" etc etc

We just need to believe more....

 

[Blue3]

I live directly in front of our polling station and have been watching a steady stream of of voters I would say about 90% have been over 65 while endless stream of younger folk have walked past now they could have voted or will be voting later but as a snapshot is yet again a sad reflection

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Everyone slagging off Nigel and Tommy, your parties have had years to sort the country out and all they've done is make it worse, wtf do you expect really!?

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[Nitram]

Surprising the remainers are in such dominance. It will be interesting to see what the local results are in the election and to see if it translates to the country.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I thought better of you than that Harry.

Venn diagram, mate. All BHA players have two legs, but not all people with two legs are BHA players.

I salute yoir indefatigability.

 

[Hamilton]

Sad that the only thing they have on him is something he said years ago, and once again the whole incident was taken completely out of context. I'm still voting for the Brexit Party.

How about his attacks on the NHS and suggestion that we move to private healthcare and insurance models?

Man of the people is Nige! When he's not rubbing shoulders with his mates in tax havens and sunning himself in Belize!

 

[Steve in Japan]

And round and round we go


So you are asking people to vote for MEPs that won't turn up, participate or represent Britain's interests in a Parliament that you are constantly extending our membership to, because Brexiteers keep voting against one another in the British Parliament, which is the one that can enact Brexit.

1. People on the Brexit side of the argument do not want MEPs sitting so that's a bit redundant
2. May's Withdrawl Agreement isn't Brexit. I'm really not sure who would vote for that over the status quo.

Anyway, you know all this and you are about as likely to change your mind as I am. Have a good day.