Ethnic Minorities and CCTV

[nwgull]

Of course I would, but as far as I can see there's no proposition to insert cameras into private properties? There is a line but if cameras are on public property, monitoring public areas, I don't have a problem with them.

There was a brilliant news story about a year ago where the police received a panic phonecall from some bint saying that she was being beaten up by her boyfriend. She happened to live in a CCTV area so until the police arrived they turned the camera away from the public road and and towards the address that had been given. They managed to spot the woman through her front window getting her friend to give her a black eye so that she could get her boyfriend arrested!

 

[Mr Burns]

Not sure about iraq, but afghanistan is on the news everyday.

For someone who has very strong opinion about this type of thing, I'm amazed that you don't even know if we are fighting in Iraq anymore. Sort ofsms up your arguments really?

 

[DerbyGull]

Tough shit.

So on that thinking, having CCTV in football grounds, paints every football fan as football hooligans?

So having CCTV in every shop, paints every shopper as a shoplifter?

No, of course it doesn't, so why would having cameras in Asian only areas paint every asian as a potentil terrorist?

Football grounds and shops are poor examples. We're talking about where people live, where a certain section of the community live. The vast majority of are law abiding, hard working and they're having their every move tracked because of their skin colour. And being made to feel like criminals. I bet you haven't got 1000s of public cctv cameras in your neighbourhood tracking you as you walk down the street.

 

[DerbyGull]

For someone who has very strong opinion about this type of thing, I'm amazed that you don't even know if we are fighting in Iraq anymore. Sort ofsms up your arguments really?

Not really. It's been dragging on so long now that i tend to switch off.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Football grounds and shops are poor examples. We're talking about where people live, where a certain section of the community live. The vast majority of are law abiding, hard working and they're having their every move tracked because of their skin colour. And being made to feel like criminals. I bet you haven't got 1000s of public cctv cameras in your neighbourhood tracking you as you walk down the street.

There are a few CCTV cameras in the road i live in and for that i am thankful

A few years ago my car was parked up over night and someone crashed into in and fled the scene. The CCTV footage was used to identify the person (who was the vehicle owner) and meant that i didn't lose my no claims as i had a 3rd party insurance policy. This enabled my insurers to go to the other parties insurer and persue a claim instead of going to the motor insurers bureau which would have affected my level of no claims.

It also meant that the driver who crashed was forced to plead guilty to trying to pervert the course of justice and other charges and was sent to prison, something that wouldn't have happened if the CCTV footage of the incident didn't exist.

 

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There are a few CCTV cameras in the road i live in and for that i am thankful

A few years ago my car was parked up over night and someone crashed into in and fled the scene. The CCTV footage was used to identify the person (who was the vehicle owner) and meant that i didn't lose my no claims as i had a 3rd party insurance policy. This enabled my insurers to go to the other parties insurer and persue a claim instead of going to the motor insurers bureau which would have affected my level of no claims.

It also meant that the driver who crashed was forced to plead guilty to trying to pervert the course of justice and other charges and was sent to prison, something that wouldn't have happened if the CCTV footage of the incident didn't exist.

My car was vandalised earlier this year whilst parked under a CCTV camera. Unfortunately, the camera was tracking a rather suspicious looking tree.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

How in anyway are cameras crime preventative? If you're gonna beat someone up you're not gonna look up and say, 'oh a camera, could you just move over here so i can beat you here where there isn't a camera'. If someone is going to commit a crime, a camera is not going to change their mind.

If CCTV cameras have no affect as you think, why do crime rates drop where these cameras operate? Why are cases prosecuted thanks to CCTV of the incident where they would otherwise have been dropped?

Should they get rid of all speed cameras too as they are used to catch people doing something they shouldn't by speeding? is that an invasion of civil rights, making people feel like criminals when they drive past or are they now just an excepted part of everyday life?

 

[Guy Fawkes]

My car was vandalised earlier this year whilst parked under a CCTV camera. Unfortunately, the camera was tracking a rather suspicious looking tree.

I feel sorry for yew, guess the operator was barking up the wrong tree that day

 

[DerbyGull]

There are a few CCTV cameras in the road i live in and for that i am thankful

A few years ago my car was parked up over night and someone crashed into in and fled the scene. The CCTV footage was used to identify the person (who was the vehicle owner) and meant that i didn't lose my no claims as i had a 3rd party insurance policy. This enabled my insurers to go to the other parties insurer and persue a claim instead of going to the motor insurers bureau which would have affected my level of no claims.

It also meant that the driver who crashed was forced to plead guilty to trying to pervert the course of justice and other charges and was sent to prison, something that wouldn't have happened if the CCTV footage of the incident didn't exist.

Clearly cameras are used to good effect in some cases. But not so much in preventing this alienation.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Clearly cameras are used to good effect in some cases. But not so much in preventing this alienation.

But why are they seen as alienating people, they are in widespread use across the country, there are an estimated 4.2 million CCTV cameras and a person may be seen on CCTV upto 300 times. Its not like they are only used where the population is of a certain race or religion.

I expect when you go down a high street or walk through a car park you don't even think about CCTV cameras being present and in use, does it affect you or make you act any differently? - no. So why worry about CCTV cameras being used unless you are up to no good and don't want anyone to see what your up to.

 

[Gwylan]

I feel sorry for yew, guess the operator was barking up the wrong tree that day

That's plane wrong. The culprit should have been birched.

 

[Mr Burns]

Football grounds and shops are poor examples. We're talking about where people live, where a certain section of the community live. The vast majority of are law abiding, hard working and they're having their every move tracked because of their skin colour. And being made to feel like criminals. I bet you haven't got 1000s of public cctv cameras in your neighbourhood tracking you as you walk down the street.

There not poor examples at all. They are were people go to relax.

Are you Asian, or are you being offended on behalf of Asians?

What do you suggest we do, stop targeting the people where 99% of offenders come from? Or waste money and place this type of CCTV in areas where you have nil percent change of obversing someone involved in terrorists activities, just too try and make it look like we are watching everyone?

I dont know why peope are offended by them. I'm white and if I lived in a mostly white area in an Asian country, and white people we responsiable for 99% of a certain type of crime, I would have ZERO problem with being targeted by CCTV or spot checks. Why would I have a problem, if I knew people like me were carrying out a certain crime. I'd welcome it to get the scum out of my area to be honest.

But I think most people who are offended by this are either Asians with something to hide, or in most cases, non-Asians who for some reason feel the have to be outraged by it too make themseleves feel better, when in fact all they do it stir up more racial tension than most out and out racists could ever dream of doing?

 

[Common as Mook]

There not poor examples at all. They are were people go to relax.

Are you Asian, or are you being offended on behalf of Asians?

What do you suggest we do, stop targeting the people where 99% of offenders come from? Or waste money and place this type of CCTV in areas where you have nil percent change of obversing someone imvolved in terrorists activities, just too try and make it look like we ae watching everyone?

I dont know why peope are offended by them. I'm white and if I lived in a mostly white area in an Asian country, and white people we responsiable for 99% of a certain type of crime, I would have ZERO problem with being targeted by CCTV or spot checks. Why would I have a problem, if I knew people like me were carrying out a certain crime. I'd welcome it to get the scum out of my area to be honest.

But I think most people who are offended by this are either Asians with something to hide, or in most cases, non-Asians who for some reason feel the have to be outraged by it too make themseleves feel better, when in fact all they do it stir up more racial tension than most out and out racists could ever dream of doing?

What about Asians with nothing to hide who feel a bit persecuted?

 

[Gwylan]

What do you suggest we do, stop targeting the people where 99% of offenders come from?

You're talking complete nonsense, just under 90% of criminals are white, I believe that Asians make up two or three percent of offenders. They are, on the other hand, more likely to be victims of crime than any other ethnic group, so placing cameras in these areas could be useful in detecting offences against them.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

It is totally possible to track any vehicle apparently. I have a friend in some "security" part of Met Police, and he was telling me that people are tracked with vehicle recognition and mobile phones on very long journeys if they are under observation. I cannot say I really understood the mechanics of it all, but I think that a car they want to track is given a "tag" and it is then tracked by a variety of methods working together. I believe the same applies to people on foot. As you say, those of us with nothing to hide should have no concerns.

It strikes me that the cameras being turned off are exactly those which should be being monitored 24/7!

APNR technology will track the vehicle , cellular technology will track the mobile phone (unless you take the SIM out) , CCTV will track pedestrians , proof of where you've been will come from credit/debit card transactions. If you haven't done anything wrong these will prove that you're innocent.

 

[Nibble]

CCTV doesn't cut crime.

 

[Two Professors]

You'd need to be a genius to tell who was who anyway-think every somali in sparkbrook is in the same family,most of the women look like black daleks,and all the dealers sell in moseley/acocks green where there's no cameras.The islamonuts mainly live in saltley/alum rock,and any cameras there would have been burned down ages ago,or sold to taroni's

 

[The Grockle]

A little fact in our local rag about two years ago, there are more CCTV cameras in Croydon than the whole of New York city. Does it concern me? Not in the slightest i've got nothing to hide and I feel a whole lot safer knowing the scum are being watched.

 

[Caveman]

What about Asians with nothing to hide who feel a bit persecuted?

See a doctor? FFS, seriously, there is CCTV EVERYWHERE.

 

[BLOCK F]

Britain,the most watched country in the free world....more CCTV cameras here than anywhere else in the free world.
I can't believe many on NSC just accept/approve of this situation...is it just the younger generation who know no different.
When you say'I don't care I've got nothing to hide' or 'if you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear',just be careful what kind of society might develop in your lifetime!