[Cricket] England vs Australia Third Ashes Test - Leeds 22nd-26th August 2019

[Gwylan]

What a great fact, you sure the urn is not at HQ?

"It was kept at his family home in Kent and was only presented to Lord's, where it remains ..."

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Well there wouldn't have been 20-20 games, and maybe there were fewer one day games, so did we play tests against them more often than once every two years?

I think, without googling there were times we didn't play each other for three or four years, it's all become a bit Ryder Cup.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

"It was kept at his family home in Kent and was only presented to Lord's, where it remains ..."

My bad.

 

[Triggaaar]

I'm not sure that it was created by the English. It was some young Australian women who presented it (and, as I said, Bligh married one of them). Why Aussie women did this, I've no idea.

Oh ok.

And the urn itself was not presented to England but to Bligh personally.

That's odd. Surely it was to be a trophy for the winning team, presented to the winning captain (like any other trophy in team sport), but you wouldn't expect the captain to take ownership of it.

 

[Triggaaar]

No mate, never.

No idea where I've made that up from.

Yes, for the Ashes series of 2006/7 - why? I don't know

Thanks. Can't believe Nomad made me doubt myself. Last bloody time I listen to him.

 

[Bodian]

I think the last one NOT to be an Ashes series was 1979-80, which was a three test series (which is why the Ashes weren't at stake). We lost it 3-0, so it was just as well

Was that something to do with Packer?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Was that something to do with Packer?

No, Packer had nothing to do with or influenced anything to do with the Ashes.

 

[Gwylan]

Well there wouldn't have been 20-20 games, and maybe there were fewer one day games, so did we play tests against them more often than once every two years?

It seems everything is ironed out nowadays. I remember six tests series between us and the Sandpaper merchants and I believe the WIndies.

Yes, the aforementioned 79/80 series was just after the 78/79 series. Australia played both England and the Windies over 6 tests, They played two series in successive years as the Packer players had returned to the fold. That's why England won 5-1 in 78/79 and lost 3-0 a year later - having Lillee, Thomson, Chappell and Marsh back made a difference ... who knew?

You can tell that one of my specialist subjects for Mastermind was The Ashes ... I wasn't allowed to choose it though

 

[Bodian]

Was that something to do with Packer?

No, Packer had nothing to do with or influenced anything to do with the Ashes.

Yes, the aforementioned 79/80 series was just after the 78/79 series. Australia played both England and the Windies over 6 tests, They played two series in successive years as the Packer players had returned to the fold. That's why England won 5-1 in 78/79 and lost 3-0 a year later - having Lillee, Thomson, Chappell and Marsh back made a difference ... who knew?

You can tell that one of my specialist subjects for Mastermind was The Ashes ... I wasn't allowed to choose it though

Aha - that was it - it was some hastily arranged thing wasn't it, after the deal with Packer. So wasn't really thought of as fully 'official' in terms of the Ashes.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Yes, the aforementioned 79/80 series was just after the 78/79 series. Australia played both England and the Windies over 6 tests, They played two series in successive years as the Packer players had returned to the fold. That's why England won 5-1 in 78/79 and lost 3-0 a year later - having Lillee, Thomson, Chappell and Marsh back made a difference ... who knew?

You can tell that one of my specialist subjects for Mastermind was The Ashes ... I wasn't allowed to choose it though

The obvious retort, you were on Mastermind?

 

[knocky1]

Yes, for the Ashes series of 2006/7 - why? I don't know

Money money, after 2005. Show the
M the urn. Went out there for Melbourne and Sydney. 3-0 down before I landed and 5-0 loss.

 

[Gwylan]

The obvious retort, you were on Mastermind?

I was ... but did really badly,

I replaced the Ashes with the history of Sussex cricket but it was my second subject and didn't get past the first round.

Thankfully it was long ago and only El Presidente, who was in the audience, will remember my failure

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I was ... but did really badly,

I replaced the Ashes with the history of Sussex cricket but it was my second subject and didn't get past the first round.

Thankfully it was long ago and only El Presidente, who was in the audience, will remember my failure

Still an excellent effort to be on there. I commend you whole heartedly.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's a bit weird really, if the two teams are playing for the ashes of English cricket, which died at The Oval.

Just reading some wiki, and although the term was first coined as a piss take by the Aussies after winning at the Oval (being the ashes of English cricket), a 1908 newspaper report said the ladies presented 'a tiny silver urn, containing what they termed 'the ashes of Australian cricket.' to Bligh (the England captain).

But the urn is made of terracotta, not silver? Confusing. [MENTION=25]Gwylan[/MENTION]?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Just reading some wiki, and although the term was first coined as a piss take by the Aussies after winning at the Oval (being the ashes of English cricket), a 1908 newspaper report said 'a tiny silver urn, containing what they termed 'the ashes of Australian cricket.' to Bligh (the England captain).

But the urn is made of terracotta, not silver? Confusing.

One thing I do know, I was saying on Friday/Saturday burn the bails again. What do I know?!?!

 

[Triggaaar]

One thing I do know, I was saying on Friday/Saturday burn the bails again. What do I know?!?!

You know that our only hope was for us to write them off.

 

[Gwylan]

Just reading some wiki, and although the term was first coined as a piss take by the Aussies after winning at the Oval (being the ashes of English cricket), a 1908 newspaper report said the ladies presented 'a tiny silver urn, containing what they termed 'the ashes of Australian cricket.' to Bligh (the England captain).

But the urn is made of terracotta, not silver? Confusing. [MENTION=25]Gwylan[/MENTION]?

The urn is terracotta and it was presented in January 1883 not 1908

I wouldn't believe everything you read on wiki

 

[Triggaaar]

The urn is terracotta and it was presented in January 1883 not 1908

I wouldn't believe everything you read on wiki

The report was written in 1908, about the urn that was presented in 1883.

After England had won two of the three Tests on the tour, a small urn was presented to Bligh by a group of Melbourne women including Florence Morphy, whom Bligh married within a year.[2] The contents of the urn are reputed to be the ashes of a wooden bail, and were humorously described as "the ashes of Australian cricket".[3] It is not clear whether that "tiny silver urn" is the same as the small terracotta urn given to the MCC by Bligh's widow after his death in 1927.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

You know that our only hope was for us to write them off.

They really do choke though. As said previously there is a stat that points them out as the biggest chokers in test cricket history. You never get beaten by the sandpaper mill until you are beaten. I'm learning that now.

 

[Triggaaar]

They did go to Australia a few years back didn't they?

Yes, for the Ashes series of 2006/7 - why? I don't know

Looks like they've been twice:
"the urn remains in the MCC Museum at Lord's; it has however been taken to Australia to be put on touring display on two occasions: as part of the Australian Bicentenary celebrations in 1988, and to accompany the Ashes series in 2006–07. "