Kalimantan Gull
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He had a not good game.
I still think he is a good player mind. But that was a not good game and may well be the end of his run of starts
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[Albion] Enciso -keep, sell or loan?
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I still think he is a good player mind. But that was a not good game and may well be the end of his run of starts
Not a fan. Runs around a lot but this is seemingly all.
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That’s the point he doesn’t, or do much of anything else
I think to be fair to the lad, he does shoot when he can. Made Martinez save last night. That’s what we need. Players who at least test the keeper.
Like I said, the intellectuals explaining to me how f***ing great Enciso was last night will be one of the highlights today... well, until the evening at least.
Which intellectuals are they Swanny?
Early in the season, I liked the fact we were getting the occasional shot away from the edge of the box. Now, we predominantly get shots away from the edge of the box, much less frequently working the ball into a good position. Enciso’s not helping with that so I’d rather he didn’t start. I was a big fan too - think he’s potentially one of our very best players - but his improvement seems to have stalled, if not gone backwards.
sussex_guy2k2
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- Jun 6, 2014
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This is a hugely arrogant, reactionary post. And with many fans not going to the game and it not being on TV, you’re not allowing for a fair debate.
For example, why did he and Gruda struggle so badly to get on the ball? Were they isolated? What patterns of play were evident to allow them to influence the play in a positive fashion? What movement were they making off the ball to open up space for those around them?
You’re picking one stat that tells literally none of the story to pick on a player you don’t like, on just his second start of the season.
We’ve had the same nonsense with Lamptey for much of this season and now many are singing his praises after last night.
I'm not naming names. Those who think a professional footballer who is only able to complete three passes in 57+12 minutes or needs 50 shots to score one goal is what we need... I just have to assume they've read some hidden secret ancient book (presumably in Latin) about how to play well at professional level. I see no other way people could want him to continue to do whatevernthat was last night.
Oh please do name names. You have introduced the idea of a derogatory term by using the word ‘intellectuals.’ Please let us know who you are referring to.
Michael Gove similarly dumbed down debate by referring to “so-called experts.” And look where that got us!
Far better to just call out people you disagree with rather than throw around general insults.
What Enciso does do, in my humble opinion, is attempt to create trouble and score. He had created chances in the last two games, both striking the woodwork and making keepers make saves. His game play might not be perfect, but all the while he is shooting at the goal, he is attempting to affect the result.
There are a number of players not at their best at the moment and in all positions. Igor, JPVH, Gruda, Minteh etc - all are blowing hot and cold. I don’t think Enciso is alone in underperforming at the moment.
But he’s only scored 4 PL goals ever
seagull_special
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I can see his qualities but I think he lacks a bit of physicality, he is probably trying too hard at the moment and can be a liability in midfield. I see him being less greedy now and looking at his options as opposed to just shooting. He is an exciting player and a year or two down the line could be an excellent player. For me a good option from the bench or conversely an extended run of games could build his confidence and decision making.
Bold Seagull
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He’s 20, he’s not started that many games, given the quality of the goals too, it’s not really a negative.
Ok.
First: I can't help that you can't be arsed going to the game. The game was televised, like every Premier League game, meaning all you had to was to enter a URL and press the play button and watch the game. If people are either to lazy or incompetent to do that, its their problem. "Plenty fans didn't see the game so its not fair to discuss it" is the dumbest shit I've heard in... three minutes (there's some murderous competition) or so.
We don't play English football. Not even German. Its Dutch football because we quite frequently pass it to players who are marked so that they with a good first touch, turn or pass will open spaces you don't get otherwise. Is it easy? No, but the PL is never easy so you have to perform when it isn't.
You have to be on your toes a) show yourself in front of you defender and b) keep the defender at a distance and beat him, when the pass comes you have to meet it and know immediately what to do with it. If you fail, you have to immediately apply counter-pressure (not lay down on the ground hoping the ref will save you from your incompetence) or you put your team in trouble.
Gruda and Enciso were shat on by a few Villa players who are currently much better Premier League players than they are. In the case of Gruda - who was a nudge better than Enciso last night - I don't have a problem with it. If he puts down the same performance after playing and training with a Premier League team for 2.5 years, I have a problem with it; it needs to be better at that point.
Julio Enciso is deteriorating as a player most likely due to a mix of limited game time and people having literally no demands on him. If Solly March misses 50 shots in a row he will certainly not be praised for that particular part of his game. If any professional footballer fail to make more than 3 completed passes in the number, fans will rightfully call it horrible if its almost any other player. Enciso? He gets praise and love for not performing. I'm not saying that manager, fans and media should throw him under the bus: I'm saying he should not be praised for being shit, because he will see no reason to do things differently.
I'm a big fan of Julios potential. There's a lot of skill in that body. Why people don't want to help him reach the level he could be through a good loan move somewhere and instead want to crowbar his current lacklustre level into our starting eleven... don't know. Its not helping him, us or anyone watching him.
Like I've said a thousand times: put him on loan in a team where they get relegated if he doesn't perform and he may well realise the value of team work and efficiency and the consequences of f***ing up. The honeymoon needs to be over if he's to stand a chance becoming the player he could be.
I’m not saying he’s perfect, far from it, but at the moment he is kicking the round thing at the wooden structure that’s covered in netting. That’s all. And he is drawing saves. If others start doing that too then maybe we can drop him.
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Needs a loan. Yesterday was the match that made up my mind. I respect his effort, but yesterday he looked up and saw Adingra free on his left, then did two stepovers and lost the ball. He’s not improving his decision-making and it’s wasteful.
I firmly believe he will improve over time, but given the competition for places in his area of the pitch, I’d have him out on loan for at least a season and a half, he needs time to mature.
I firmly believe he will improve over time, but given the competition for places in his area of the pitch, I’d have him out on loan for at least a season and a half, he needs time to mature.