The Large One
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What, from the Department of Children, Schools & Families?
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Ed Milliband..... I do believe he's got it.
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What, from the Department of Children, Schools & Families?
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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quite right and the question is a good one. its no good just saying we must have factory jobs, like its a solution. the points i put are reasons why manufacturing went away though, so we have to at least acknowledge them so they can be addressed.
we arent Germany, we arent Germans, what have they done differently, whats different in their national outlook? i know they dont have the same view on home ownership, and they have alot more space for the population which are factors. where ever you go abroad things are different, in France for instance they pay lip service to planning, they want to build a road to improve an area they build a road and f*** the objectors. we have 7 years of planning and public inquiries to build a small stadium in a field by a motorway, college and water treatment works.
I want to see manufacturing, i want to buy British, but how do we get there, you dont just say lets build factories and find you suddenly have lots (unless you want to be broke again very shortly afterwards).
only if we keep saying we are. if we had a good dose of positive outlook, new start and lets move on, we might do so. 4 f***ing years of politicans, papers and us lot saying its all doom, no surprise its pretty gloomy. others put the 2008 crisis behind them, in particular the US who are technically still buggered but carry on as if nothing happened and seen their growth return.
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Seagull58
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The nub of the problem, to quote Dickens, is that Labour followed this quote: -
“Credit is a system whereby a person who can't pay, gets another person who can't pay, to guarantee that he can pay.”
whereas the coalition is following this quote: -
“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pound ought and six, result misery.”
Hence, there will be misery until they have managed to balance the books that Brown and his henchmen screwed up so well.
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Yes, George Osborne also has dual roles.
Seagull58
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Not true at all. They DID beat the Labour Party. However, they didn't achieve an overall majority against all the other parties combined.
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Seagull58
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and somebody (Brown) promised to hold a referendum before signing the Lisbon Treaty on the EU.
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The Large One
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Aside from Chancellor of the Exchequer, what other roles does he have?
What other roles did Ed Balls have while Minister for Children, Schools & Families? What role did he have within the Treasury at this time? And does Michael Gove (Balls' successor) have dual roles?
Yeah, I know... questions, questions, questions...
I'd have thought head of a department or ministry was supposedly full-on.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I'm looking forward to living in "One Nation" under Red Ed. That'll be the one nation with the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly New Labour brought in, that's assuming Scotland votes to stay in the One Nation in their independence vote in 2014.
One Nation? What a crock of shit from the young man.
One Nation? What a crock of shit from the young man.
Lokki 7
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I keep doing double fcuking posts these days, it's annoying. I actually got tied up doing some actual work for a few minutes and it looked like my original post hadn't gone. I blame BOZZA.
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Lokki 7
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Absolutely spot on. Red Ed used "One Nation" 41 times, Disraeli never actually had to use it. I wonder what this tells us?
The Large One
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Oh, OK. I thought you meant he had two official governmental roles, rather than one governmental and one party role.
But that still doesn't answer my point. What job in the Treasury did Ed Balls have while he was Minister for Children, Schools & Families?
Seagull58
In the Algarve
Unfortunately, what we learn from history is that every Labour government bankrupts the country by spending money they don't have, and then each following Tory government has to rein in spending to get the country back on an even keel, during which process unemployment rises. Brown kept unemployment down by creating more than half a million, non wealth creating, public sector jobs and borrowing the money to pay for them.
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He didnt, just the same as George Osborne's chief of political strategy role isnt an "official " job , but are you trying to say it has no bearing on the direction of the tory party ? In the same way that Balls was a close confidant of Brown, he helped shape and influence policy.
Pavilionaire
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Ironically, "One Nation" is a pathetic, shallow attempt to appeal to Middle ENGLAND. The twat's already got the Scottish and Welsh vote. You couldn't make this stuff up!
Seagull58
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That argument doesn't apply if you are creating jobs in the public sector e.g. the half a million+ that Brown created. They are being paid 100% from the public purse and only paying 30 to 40% back in tax. Hence, there is more need to borrow. Brown and Balls never worked that one out.
True: screwing the economy AND looking smug.
They didn't have to work that one out because you are talking out of your arse.
There is nothing wrong with providing jobs in the public sector providing we are paying for jobs that need doing and we are prepared to pay for them to be done. For example, if we cut out all the pot hole filling companies in the name of austerity, then not only will our roads crumble away, meaning business has to find expensive or less efficient alternatives to the road, but also we don't have any pot hole filling businesses to fill them if the money ever does return.