Nope, i guess there are a fair few people that would like to see the same proposed policy that the Dutch want to implement over here in England.
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Nope, i guess there are a fair few people that would like to see the same proposed policy that the Dutch want to implement over here in England.
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I did, just for you......not sure anyone noticed though.
Would you like me to write to my MP and tell him that I think this policy is 'quite a good idea'? I am sure he will be thrilled.
Yep, do it, after all you did state in a previous post " Do I have to do it quietly? No of course I don't, I can jump up and down, protest and write letters to my MP's in the hope that i can change something."
Go for it BF, as you stated "it might not do any good"......but hey ho eh.
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Which suggests that you don't like the laws of the UK. So rather than try and change them you glasfryn thinks you should emigrate.
Not my words, i agree with you and think that if you don't like a law then you should try and bring about a change.
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So you want me to write a letter that I hope might change something, about something I don't wish to change?
Seems a bit odd.
Of course there are laws i "don't like", why should i emigrate, better to stay and "jump up and down" and "write letters to my MP's", like you do in OZ, it would be the same wherever i go, there would be laws i do not like. The difference is that if i did emigrate i would know the laws before i went, so that would definitely rule out a lot of countries.
When in Rome as well, i might be looked upon the same as others that try to implement their laws here.
Just saying that i hope England adopts the same laws re this thread, and the Dutch, and re returning ISIS/citizenship in your adopted country Aus.
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I agree to to the gist of your post. But are you suggesting that because someone is an immigrant they have not right to disagree with the laws of their chosen country? Or that an immigrant can only disagree with laws that have been made since they were living in their new country? If so I don't agree with this part.
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Yes i would, although depending on which country we are talking about i would hesitate to protest too much as some are not so democratic.
I think firstly i would be very careful (if i wanted to emigrate, which i don't atm) to choose a country where i respected the laws. A right to disagree, well yes, to change the laws to suit the country that i had emigrated from......No, i would rather live here and protect the decent laws that we have, and decent laws like banning coverings in schools, banks etc.
You are being obtuse, write a letter to your MP when you support a possible law change, as i said, you can "jump up and down" and "write to your MP's" if you are against as well as if you support a possible new law.
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what do you mean by change the laws to suit the country you emigrated from? I don't really get this concept. I have lived in three different countries and cannot say i have agreed with all the laws in any of them. I certainly would like to change any laws in Australia to suit the UK. I would like to change a few laws because i think that they are wrong. I don't see that it matters where i am from in this instance I am an Autralian Citizen and have the same rights as other Australian Citizens.
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You are asking me to write a letter to an MP every time they pass a law that I support? Not being obtuse, this is just a ridiculous notion.
As I said the purpose of my letter would be to change something, if i don't think something needs changing why would i write a letter?
NO, a letter of support when a law is being considered (not passed obviously), such as the law that Aus may bring in (and think Britain should adopt) re returning ISIS fighters and the law that the Dutch may bring in. Surely you must realise that some of the policies that were set out in the manifestos in our recent GE, were put in because of the public feelings, which INCLUDES letters to MP's.
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So you want me to write a letter of support for every law that is being considered that I agree with? I think I will leave that to you as I simply don't have that much time on my hands. Perhaps if a law was being considered that I felt strongly about I would, but it is just not practical to be writing letters about every thing I consider "quite a good idea".
As much as I think the law is quite a good idea i think that it is a drop in the ocean in terms of solving the problems of terrorism and the issues in the middle east. If and when someone proposes a solution that i think will move towards real and lasting solutions i will be vocally supporting them. (and just for you i will even write a letter).
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Obviously just the ones you feel "strongly" about. Give you the chance to "jump up and down" be "vocal"........and thanks, just for me you will even write a letter. As you stated, it might not work, but better than doing nothing.
Perhaps a closer look at home instead of the middle east regarding "solving the problems of terrorism".
This article from the Guardian, endorsed by Britain’s most senior Muslim police chief.
Jihadi threat requires move into 'private space' of UK Muslims, says police chief .
Islamist propaganda is so potent it is influencing children as young as five and should be countered with intensified monitoring to detect the earliest signs of anti-western sentiment.
Chishty is the most senior Muslim officer in Britain’s police service and is head of community engagement for the Metropolitan police in London. He said Isis propaganda was so powerful he had to be vigilant about his own children. But some will argue that his ideas walk a fine line between vigilance in the face of potent extremist propaganda and criminalising thought.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...private-space-of-uk-muslims-says-police-chief
Hopefully the media source and the informer is acceptable to you and others.
Very thought provoking - and worrying. Just how do you cure a cancer once it has started?
Firstly you do not ignore it, make excuses even though it is only a minority at the moment, shout down those that are worried and put it down to racism and xenophobia, hopefully hear more voices/actions from those moderates of the religion.........just for starters imo.
Quite agree. Trouble is, there are far too many (including some on here) only too quick to condemn any concerns about Islamic extremism as racism and / or xenophobia.
Exactly, easier to play the man than actually look at the problem. Of course there is always the option of diverting the problem, blaming everything on the west (which obviously has legs), or the good old plain and simple insults. None of which will address the growing problem here.