SIMMO SAYS
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Dutch cabinet approves partial ban on Islamic veil in public areas
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What part of it is not part of their religious attire do you not understand. Ok then a crash helmet or balaclava has now been deemed part of my Christian attire, i shall be wearing it when i go to court, when i'm on transport or in public buildings, when i am getting cash out at the bank............
Two thumbs down from Husty----how will I get through the rest of the day
Shove your head in a Spider man mask and get yourself in a few schools and public buildings
midnight_rendezvous
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Why is that even relevant? If Muslims were dying in this country due to hate crime would you suddenly give the concept of islamaphobia credibility or are you just deflecting? But I suppose you've already given it credibility by saying people are sick to death of "their trouble making" and that's why those girls would gladly give you the middle finger.
Credibility, credibility.......when and IF "Muslims ARE dying in this country", i will give it the "credibility" it deserves, until then you are doing a grand job of talking up something that is not happening. I think it is "credible" and fairly accurate that some people are getting sick to death of the wants/moans and the expected cowl tailing to what is a minority in this country......while the other religions and races here seem to rub along nicely and are fairly happy with their lot.
midnight_rendezvous
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Fantastic job with the bike helmet analogy. Further proving my working theory that you're a bit of an idiot. But as you clearly are struggling with the whole burka concept let's break it down.
The Quran does not say that women have to wear a burka. The Quran does however talk about modesty and its relation with the "created and the creator". Some woman therefore choose to wear garments like the burka which was created so be worn in order to hide their modesty. It is a part of religious and cultural attire but it is not a requirement with the exemption of Afghanistan where it is required to be worn by law.
midnight_rendezvous
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Your logic is so flawed it hurts. Again, so racism no longer exists because black people aren't being lynched? Homophobia doesn't exist because gay people aren't being rounded up and carted off to " straight camps"? Sexism doesn't exist because woman aren't being flogged in the streets for wanting equal pay? These all sound a bit silly don't they? Well that's the kind of logic you're applying to islamaphobia. You're refusing to accept it but then constantly pointing it out by saying that Muslims are trouble makers and that people are getting sick to death of them. I wonder if you're familiar with the concept of irony?
I know, and just because i do not agree i am an idiot eh.
Well again you have stated "It is a part of religious and cultural attire", when you have pointed out it is not part of their "religious attire", it is not a "requirement" IS it.
So they can hide their modesty on the streets, at home and other places.......but in schools? where anybody could do a burka male perhaps, in a bank where the teller needs to see the face (fraud etc) , how about a passport office eh, do you not think the face on show is a requirement.........everybody else has to adhere to having their face on show in certain places.......as this is NOT even a "religious" requirement, and this is NOT Afghanistan but Holland, best just uncover or avoid these buildings eh.
midnight_rendezvous
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You're an idiot, not because you disagree with me, but because you're comparing a burka to a cycling helmet. It's the kind of analogy you expect from someone who has no grasp on a situation. If you'd have compared it to a coif or kippah you'd have some credence but a bike helmet? You just look like a fool. As for this ongoing disagreement of ours I'll ask you this; would you say a kippah (skull cap) is a piece of religious attire?
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
women don't have a say in the muslim world,but you know that,right?
The Kippah whether it is or isn't is no matter, it does not cover the face so would not have to be removed, same as the Sikhs and the turban, which incidentally is part of their religious attire. The burka is not part of the religious attire, it is worn for modesty, unfortunately it covers the face and like other head wear can not be worn in certain places.
Perhaps your point or disagreement would have more "credibility" if you refrained from insulting, because calling me a "numpty" and "idiot" on a difference of opinion is poor. I can take or leave your opinions without having to put you down. I think the fact that you have stated that it is "It is a part of religious and cultural attire" after stating that it is not a "religious requirement" and is in fact worn for modesty, shows you are a tad wayward. Perhaps look at Afghanistan women in the 70's re "requirement and attire" and obviously even then NOT religious, the women were in skirts and tops......modesty really, must be a 21st century "requirement" eh.
midnight_rendezvous
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Well that's just not true but thanks for playing.
pastafarian
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BRITISH MUSLIMS LAUNCH HISTORIC CAMPAIGN TO BAN THE BURKA IN THE UK
MUSLIM EDUCATIONAL CENTRE OF OXFORD BRITISH SOCIETY, THE UK ELECTORATE AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT
Imam, Oxford Islamic Congregation and Director, Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford Dr T Hargey
Following the landmark ECHR ruling upholding the French and Belgian ban on all public face-masking, the UK must now follow suit by outlawing all garments, including balaclavas, hoodies, etc that obscure or conceal an individual's identity.
Many Muslims have been misled by bogus propanganda from the fundamentalist Wahhabi, Salafi, Deobandi, Tabligh Jamati and Jamati Islami sects that the burqa / niqab is integral to Islam. It is completely untrue: there is no religious mandate for this primitive facial concealment.
The burqa/niqab is an archaic tribal rag that is pre-Islamic and non-Qur'anic, and thus ipso facto un-Muslim. The ludicrous custom of female public anonymity is an imported Saudi-Afghan fad that has a suspicious provenance. This trendy cultural contraption has no authentic Islamic foundation. Facial-masking first originated for aristocratic and sexist reasons in ancient Persia and Byzantium long before the advent of Islam and is currently gaining traction as a result of Saudi petrodollars and Wahhabi sectarianism.
The burqa / niqab should be resisted on compelling theological, social, health, security, gender equality and libertarian grounds so that Britain’s traditional character and identity is preserved. The UK must oppose this latest salvo from theological militants seeking to win the hearts and minds of British Muslims to replicate their warped version of a mythical Arab 7th century society in contemporary Britain.
As integrated British Muslims, we ask HMG to initiate a national debate in Parliament and across the country so that the public cannot be duped by religious zealots falsely claiming that face-masking is Islamic. If it is proscribed on the pilgrimage to Islam's holiest site in Makkah, why do Muslim women wish to wear it on the streets of Britain?
The obsessive fixation by ultra-puritanical fanatics to hide women's faces under the pretext of religion must be exposed as a fallacy. Their chauvinistic mysogyny is nothing but a Trojan shari’ah horse that has to be routed, otherwise it will set a dangerous precedent that will ultimately imperil Britain’s democracy and liberty.
We call upon all thinking British Muslims as well as those of other faiths and none, to join us in extirpating this non-Qur’anic patriarchal control over women. Let us petition the government and inundate our Members of Parliament to do the right thing to finally outlaw this alien cultural monstrosity from Britain's shores and consign it to the dustbin of history.
So, in this holy month of Ramadan, let us all work together to get rid of this unholy mask that only serves to taint Islam and disparage Muslims. If women wish to hide their hair that's fine, but if they want to conceal their faces, that is another matter because no one has the right to public anonymity.
JOIN THE MOVEMENT FOR A BURQA-FREE BRITAIN
SUPPORT WOMEN'S EQUALITY
OPPOSE MUSLIM MISOGYNY
https://www.change.org/p/british-so...-historic-campaign-to-ban-the-burka-in-the-uk
(the petition doesnt seem to have taken off the ground)
MUSLIM EDUCATIONAL CENTRE OF OXFORD BRITISH SOCIETY, THE UK ELECTORATE AND MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT
Imam, Oxford Islamic Congregation and Director, Muslim Educational Centre of Oxford Dr T Hargey
Following the landmark ECHR ruling upholding the French and Belgian ban on all public face-masking, the UK must now follow suit by outlawing all garments, including balaclavas, hoodies, etc that obscure or conceal an individual's identity.
Many Muslims have been misled by bogus propanganda from the fundamentalist Wahhabi, Salafi, Deobandi, Tabligh Jamati and Jamati Islami sects that the burqa / niqab is integral to Islam. It is completely untrue: there is no religious mandate for this primitive facial concealment.
The burqa/niqab is an archaic tribal rag that is pre-Islamic and non-Qur'anic, and thus ipso facto un-Muslim. The ludicrous custom of female public anonymity is an imported Saudi-Afghan fad that has a suspicious provenance. This trendy cultural contraption has no authentic Islamic foundation. Facial-masking first originated for aristocratic and sexist reasons in ancient Persia and Byzantium long before the advent of Islam and is currently gaining traction as a result of Saudi petrodollars and Wahhabi sectarianism.
The burqa / niqab should be resisted on compelling theological, social, health, security, gender equality and libertarian grounds so that Britain’s traditional character and identity is preserved. The UK must oppose this latest salvo from theological militants seeking to win the hearts and minds of British Muslims to replicate their warped version of a mythical Arab 7th century society in contemporary Britain.
As integrated British Muslims, we ask HMG to initiate a national debate in Parliament and across the country so that the public cannot be duped by religious zealots falsely claiming that face-masking is Islamic. If it is proscribed on the pilgrimage to Islam's holiest site in Makkah, why do Muslim women wish to wear it on the streets of Britain?
The obsessive fixation by ultra-puritanical fanatics to hide women's faces under the pretext of religion must be exposed as a fallacy. Their chauvinistic mysogyny is nothing but a Trojan shari’ah horse that has to be routed, otherwise it will set a dangerous precedent that will ultimately imperil Britain’s democracy and liberty.
We call upon all thinking British Muslims as well as those of other faiths and none, to join us in extirpating this non-Qur’anic patriarchal control over women. Let us petition the government and inundate our Members of Parliament to do the right thing to finally outlaw this alien cultural monstrosity from Britain's shores and consign it to the dustbin of history.
So, in this holy month of Ramadan, let us all work together to get rid of this unholy mask that only serves to taint Islam and disparage Muslims. If women wish to hide their hair that's fine, but if they want to conceal their faces, that is another matter because no one has the right to public anonymity.
JOIN THE MOVEMENT FOR A BURQA-FREE BRITAIN
SUPPORT WOMEN'S EQUALITY
OPPOSE MUSLIM MISOGYNY
https://www.change.org/p/british-so...-historic-campaign-to-ban-the-burka-in-the-uk
(the petition doesnt seem to have taken off the ground)
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
so why can't women drive in saudi arabia?
midnight_rendezvous
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The reason I asked you is because many people would consider the kippah a religious garment but that too is not a requirement within Judaism. I wondered you're take on it is all as you seem to quite confident that something is only religious if it is required to be worn. I reiterate I don't think you're an idiot because you disagree . I think you made an idiotic, childish comparison and you flat out refuse to acknowledge the existence of islamaphobia with idiotic reasoning.
midnight_rendezvous
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I don't know but I'm pretty sure the country with biggest Muslim population on the planets was recently run by a female...
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
not really answering the question though,is it?
midnight_rendezvous
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Well as I don't know the answer I can't tell you. Goes against your theory though.
Gregory2Smith1
J'les aurai!
so we can expect Saudi Arabia & Iran to have female leaders any time now
not in your lifetime!