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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .












SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
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Jan 25, 2025
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On Newsnight last night, Nick Watt quoted a former member of the National Security Council saying they think MI6 are genuinely now worrying about a future where information gathered in Russia could be passed back to Moscow if shared with Washington. :nono:
It shouldn’t be beyond them to think of ways to test this theory out.
 








Littlemo

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Aug 25, 2022
1,955
Maybe but until he came on scene I had never heard any leader talking about peace or even a cease fire. If this carries on no nation will put troops in Ukraine and with troops getting smaller and dishartened there will only be one winner.
With Putin leading Russian I have had real worries that this could end up as WW3 so I am dedlighted whenever I hear people talking about a peace agreement.

It’s not a peace agreement, it’s a surrender. There was nothing actually in it that would stop the war, only the assumption that Russia wouldn’t attack US workers. Did the US honestly have no companies in the Ukraine when Putin first attacked them? They just cared about getting those minerals.

He’s made the situation worse, until he came on the scene it was very unlikely to end in WWIII and was somewhat contained to the Ukraine. Now, given his harm to Ukraine and general behaviour with others, a big war is much more likely.
 




Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,768
Goldstone
On Newsnight last night, Nick Watt quoted a former member of the National Security Council saying they think MI6 are genuinely now worrying about a future where information gathered in Russia could be passed back to Moscow if shared with Washington. :nono:

A future? It's right now!

I imagine our US counterparts are still on the side of democracy and aren't wanting to pass anything on, but they're not in full control anymore, so we shouldn't be sharing anything that we don't want getting to Putin.
 








Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,768
Goldstone
I think for at least the next four years we have to regard the U.S. as a Russian State and act accordingly.

Have as little to do with them as is practicable.

Tough.

Right now it looks really bad, but we'll probably learn a lot more in the next few months. I cannot believe that those in high positions in the military and secret service are going to sit idly by while Trump turns the US into a Russian state. Even those who have been removed from their positions will be looking at what can be done. They'll be watching Trumps actions closely.
 


South Stand Bonfire

Who lit that match then?
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Jan 24, 2009
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Shoreham-a-la-mer
Right now it looks really bad, but we'll probably learn a lot more in the next few months. I cannot believe that those in high positions in the military and secret service are going to sit idly by while Trump turns the US into a Russian state. Even those who have been removed from their positions will be looking at what can be done. They'll be watching Trumps actions closely.
🙏
 


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
NSC Patron
Jan 25, 2025
325
It’s not a peace agreement, it’s a surrender. There was nothing actually in it that would stop the war, only the assumption that Russia wouldn’t attack US workers. Did the US honestly have no companies in the Ukraine when Putin first attacked them? They just cared about getting those minerals.
I found myself wondering if there’s a world in which Trump hands out contracts to Russian companies to work in Ukraine, instead of American ones.
 






Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
71,304
Withdean area
US stock margins been plunging for a sustained period now. Tariffs, trade wars and the uncertain world brought about by Trump help very few. He’s talking and acting sh1t.

Wondering if rich Americans who live, eat and breathe the value of their stocks, find his allegiance to genocidal Putin still hilarious?
 


highflyer

Well-known member
Jan 21, 2016
2,667
US stock margins been plunging for a sustained period now. Tariffs, trade wars and the uncertain world brought about by Trump help very few. He’s talking and acting sh1t.

Wondering if rich Americans who live, eat and breathe the value of their stocks, find his allegiance to genocidal Putin still hilarious?

In a decent, normal and humane country his utter lack of class, disdain for the poor and marginalised, and extortion tactics with previous allies would finish him

But it is the US, so it does indeed seem far more likely that the threat of rich people getting less rich will be his downfall.
 


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,768
Goldstone
Whatever our opinions of Trump the worst senario would be if USA washed there hands of Ukraine. For a start Europe would have to find the 300b that USA have contributed.

"To date, we have provided $66.5 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022"


$66.5 billion is a little short of $300 billion.


Russia in 3 years have taken 20% of Ukrain. Another 3 years could be 40%

I assume you're being deliberately disingenuous? Russia occupied more than 20% in March 2022, so in the last 3 years they've actually lost territory, not taken it. They are not heading towards 40%, they no longer send infantry fighting vehicles to the front line, they send donkeys (that's not a joke, that is what they're doing).
 




BadFish

Huge Member
Oct 19, 2003
19,230
Out of interest, where would I buy a nice refreshing can of Grans, Solo, ICA Cola, Faxe Kondi, Fritz, Zingi or Trocadero out of interest? Or grab a quick bite at Max, Big Bite, Peppes Pizza, Deli de Luca, Sibylla, Fafa’s or Joe and the Juice on my lunch break?

What should I do if absolutely everyone I wish to speak to uses Facebook, X, Instagram, Messenger or WhatsApp. Refuse to speak to them until they download “Threema”?

Sorry, I can’t watch that YouTube video of the new Albion Unlocked episode mate, would you mind uploading it to YLE Arena or RUV?

Okay team, I know our tech guys have spent ages setting up our working from home interface, making sure it complies with GDPR best practices, has backups and failsafes to ensure limited wasted hours due to technical issues, but today we’ll be hosting the team meeting via “Whaller”. What do you mean “what is Whaller?”

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You make a good point but I really struggle with the idea that unless we can do everything we should do nothing.

As I have looked into this the fact that these companies have such a hold on my life is motivation enough to try and free myself a little.

I will still need some of it for work and social purposes for a time but if enough people make a few changes, maybe I won't be beholden to them forever.

Personally I am happy to make these choices myself where I can rather than just follow the crowd and use what everyone else is.
 
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Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
54,768
Goldstone
I really hope peace negotions work out. I still say Ukraine cant repel Russian troops for ever without foreign troops to help them on the ground

Forever is a mighty long time, but I'm here to tell you there's something else. They can repel them for many years if we provide equipment.
 


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