[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[AstroSloth]

Sorry, but I was watching it during the Star Spangled Banner, and the response was mixed. Which is hardly surprising when you look at this...

Overall, 47% of U.S. adults approve of how Trump is handling his job as president, while 51% say they disapprove. And most of these views are strongly held: 37% strongly approve of his performance, while 40% strongly disapprove.

1. Trump’s second term: Early ratings and expectations

Americans are deeply divided over Trump’s plans and how he is handling his job as president in the early weeks of his return to office.

www.pewresearch.org

The narrative that he's popular over there is not true. He has divided a nation.

Was great to see this represented in the halftime show, with dancers dressed in red white and blue pouring out a clown car whilst Kendrick lamented "You picked the right time but the wrong man" before having a shot that showed the American flag divided.

The more you watch that half time show the more of a masterpiece it becomes.

 

[AstroSloth]

Bold of you to think they give even the remotest of shits

Or have the remotest ability to critically think.

 

[AstroSloth]

Kendrick got mixed reviews

Kendrick massively proved his point with the Uncle Sam parts, stating that what America want isn't to think but to listen to something catchy and safe.

Anyone who analyses the performance, song choices and overall message of the performance can understand the massive cultural message it presented.

Meanwhile you have MAGA getting pissed about it because of exactly what Kendrick presented through Samuel L Jackson, it's "too loud, too reckless, too ghetto".

Andre 3000 said it best in Hey Ya, "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance", which is much the same point Kendrick was making.

 

[Zeberdi]

The fact is that he cannot achieve this aim when no one bar the Israel government is in agreement. It is a violation of international law.

But Israel certainly could with Trump’s backing.

The idea that Trump anyway would be deterred from taking over Gaza or from supporting Israel because it would be contrary to international law is doing a lot of heavy lifting of the very limited powers of the ICC.

Who would stop him if he were declared a war criminal? The ICC? The same ICC that Israel and the US have habitually refused to recognise as having jurisdiction over either States and that same Court that Trump issued sanctions against its chief prosecutor by Executive Order in protest against the ICC warrant for Netanyahu for war crimes? Trump does not respect the Rule of Law whatever its source.

The worst that would probably happen is that the ICC would issue a warrant against Trump and he would be liable for arrest if he visited any of the Member States to the ICC. Given he spent most of his first term sitting in front of the TV eating hamburgers anyway and running the Presidency on social Media, it probably wouldn’t be a great burden to him. He’s already a convicted criminal in his own Country being a wanted criminal in another won’t impede his Presidency in fact it would probably improve it as he would just send his Secretary of States or VP to act on his behalf much to the relief of other world leaders .

Trump’s sanctions against the ICC are disgraceful | Kenneth Roth

Netanyahu and Gallant could show up and contest the charges against them. Obstructing justice is not the answer

www.theguardian.com

 

[BadFish]

Kendrick massively proved his point with the Uncle Sam parts, stating that what America want isn't to think but to listen to something catchy and safe.

Anyone who analyses the performance, song choices and overall message of the performance can understand the massive cultural message it presented.

Meanwhile you have MAGA getting pissed about it because of exactly what Kendrick presented through Samuel L Jackson, it's "too loud, too reckless, too ghetto".

Andre 3000 said it best in Hey Ya, "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance", which is much the same point Kendrick was making.

that is enough to make me watch it.

thanks

 

[lasvegan]

I’d love to hear all of the “intelligent posters” on here their plans for the Gaza Strip. I’m not at all saying I necessarily agree with Trump’s vision, but definitely interested in hearing alternatives.

Does anyone want to give control back to Hamas?

 

[marlowe]

Kendrick massively proved his point with the Uncle Sam parts, stating that what America want isn't to think but to listen to something catchy and safe.

Anyone who analyses the performance, song choices and overall message of the performance can understand the massive cultural message it presented.

Meanwhile you have MAGA getting pissed about it because of exactly what Kendrick presented through Samuel L Jackson, it's "too loud, too reckless, too ghetto".

Andre 3000 said it best in Hey Ya, "Y'all don't want to hear me, you just want to dance", which is much the same point Kendrick was making.

Yes it was a perfect night all round with the Eagles winning which would have really stuck in Trump's craw, what with their boycott of visiting the White House after their 2018 Super Bowl win.

Here's another analysis of Kendrick's performance....

How the “Subversive Genius” of Kendrick Lamar Sent Trump Home a Loser

The Philadelphia Eagles and Kendrick Lamar’s collective of geniuses made this the Super Bowl we needed.

www.thenation.com

Redirect Notice

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I’d love to hear all of the “intelligent posters” on here their plans for the Gaza Strip. I’m not at all saying I necessarily agree with Trump’s vision, but definitely interested in hearing alternatives.

Does anyone want to give control back to Hamas?

Farage wants casinos and nightclubs.

 

[Springal]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-loosen-enforcement-us-law-banning-bribery-foreign-officials-2025-02-10/

That law is definitely what is making US companies less competitive

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I’d love to hear all of the “intelligent posters” on here their plans for the Gaza Strip. I’m not at all saying I necessarily agree with Trump’s vision, but definitely interested in hearing alternatives.

Does anyone want to give control back to Hamas?

Not that I'm volunteering as a spokesman for the "intelligent"....

I have no idea.
No I don't want Hamas back in charge.
(Albeit they are still in charge anyway, apparently).

It seems difficult to see how Israel can allow the rebuilding of a nation intent on destroying Israel.
But of course not allowing the inevitable continued rule of Hamas would require ethnic cleansing.
And nobody wants that.

I don't seem to recall that UN 'peace keeping forces' have ever resolved any conflicts, so I'm not looking to them.

Luckily it is all a long way away, and for most of us it is just another item on the news.
And a topic for hand wringing and/or side taking on NSC.

 

[Curious Orange]

Farage wants casinos and nightclubs.

There is incompatible cultures right there, Western Liberal Democracy and Fundementalist Islam .

 

[Taybha]

Hi this is my first post on a political thread.

Well apart from calling Putin a Cun*

So here's my view on Mr Trump, he's a bigger Cun* than Putin.

Endless hours of research have made this interesting fact possible.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Not that I'm volunteering as a spokesman for the "intelligent"....

I have no idea.
No I don't want Hamas back in charge.
(Albeit they are still in charge anyway, apparently).

It seems difficult to see how Israel can allow the rebuilding of a nation intent on destroying Israel.
But of course not allowing the inevitable continued rule of Hamas would require ethnic cleansing.
And nobody wants that.

I don't seem to recall that UN 'peace keeping forces' have ever resolved any conflicts, so I'm not looking to them.

Luckily it is all a long way away, and for most of us it is just another item on the news.
And a topic for hand wringing and/or side taking on NSC.

I think as answers go, that this is almost perfect. It is difficult to post about Israel/Palestine without seeming to be biased in one direction but imo you have done that. Most people, and I am not pointing a finger here at anyone, I mean generally, have such strong feelings about it that it colours any reasonable dialogue and therefore progress. Just as Hamas constantly fighting Israel is doomed, so is Trump's ridiculous interference. And at the heart of it:
'It seems difficult to see how Israel can allow the rebuilding of a nation intent on destroying Israel.'

While that statement exists as a fact, there can be no peace short of wiping our entire nations.

 

[A1X]

Luckily it is all a long way away, and for most of us it is just another item on the news.

While I agree with almost all of your post, the line quoted here only holds true until the next terrorist cell decide to treat “the west” as one homogeneous entity and decide to engage in a terrorist attack somewhere. The actions of the US put us all at risk on that basis.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Article in today’s Guardian:
“

Trump signs order to bring back plastic straws claiming paper ones ‘explode’”​

You could not make this up.

 

[nicko31]

Farage wants casinos and nightclubs.

A new low for Farage

 

[Eeyore]

A new low for Farage

Sitting next to his Muslim chairman of the party. Well, apparently Muslim, in a very corporate UKIPY way.

 

[Curious Orange]

Article in today’s Guardian:
“

Trump signs order to bring back plastic straws claiming paper ones ‘explode’”​

You could not make this up.

A waste of paper and ink.

 

[Zeberdi]

I think as answers go, that this is almost perfect. It is difficult to post about Israel/Palestine without seeming to be biased in one direction but imo you have done that. Most people, and I am not pointing a finger here at anyone, I mean generally, have such strong feelings about it that it colours any reasonable dialogue and therefore progress. Just as Hamas constantly fighting Israel is doomed, so is Trump's ridiculous interference. And at the heart of it:
'It seems difficult to see how Israel can allow the rebuilding of a nation intent on destroying Israel.'

While that statement exists as a fact, there can be no peace short of wiping our entire nations.

I agree with much of your post but the bold really doesn’t exist as “fact”. That’s to suggest all Palestinians are terrorists intent on destroying Israel. It is no more neutral (or accurate) to say it would take “ethnic cleansing” of all Palestinians as a people to rid Gaza of Hamas, again labelling all Palestinians jihadist extremist terrorists any more than it is true that all Jews want Palestinians kept under military oppression and not have their own right to self determination but that’s a discussion for another thread.

Trump’s recent policies on Israel and Iran have very much undermined the current ceasefire and opportunity for a peace process - exactly what Netanyahu far right minions wanted.

The West may not be the root cause of instability in the ME and its interference in resolving the Israel/Palestinian question may not be the pathway to peace. However, when our own Governments allies themselves with Countries (either by trading oil, sports, real estate or arms) that have appalling human rights records, a history of genocide or have used biological weapons on its own people, then we should speak out;

When our own Governments support, as in Israel’s case, a State pursuing expansionist policies that oppress an entire people for decades by occupying land illegally or embark on punitive conflicts that results in thousands of innocent children being slaughtered; then yes, I want my Country’s public to sit up and take notice and speak out - against human rights abuses and oppression where ever in the world it occurs and to recognise if any, the role our individual leaders have had in facilitating those conflicts and humanitarian crises in the first place. Trump is a perfect example of how our choice of leaders in Western countries can impact on conflict resolution and stability in the rest of the world.

So …

“Let not any one pacify his conscience by the delusion that he can do no harm if he takes no part, and forms no opinion. Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing. He is not a good man who, without a protest, allows wrong to be committed in his name, and with the means which he helps to supply, because he will not trouble himself to use his mind on the subject.”. John Stewart Mill 1867.

 

[Fignon's Ponytail]

Article in today’s Guardian:
“

Trump signs order to bring back plastic straws claiming paper ones ‘explode’”​

You could not make this up.

That whole "performance" on why they want to bring back plastic straws was just cringey, ignorant, and embarrassing. Oh, and I've never seen a paper straw explode either.



The final comment by Trump, saying that he "doesn't think a shark will be affected by plastic straws, as theyre munching their way through the ocean", is up there with some of his most ridiculous quotes.

He is the gift that keeps giving. One minute hes talking about hell being unleashed upon a nation, the next talking about using straws with hot drinks. (Who drinks a hot drink through a straw anyway?!?)