[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[A1X]

So . . . The Epstein files. Is he going to release them or not?

Where’s the Epstein list? Trump faces backlash over declassifying JFK, RFK, MLK Jr. records | The Express Tribune

Trump declassifies files but faces growing scrutiny over his unfulfilled promise to release Epstein list.

tribune.com.pk

Maybe he doesn't want to because he fears for his reputation

Strange, @Crawley Dingo was adamant yesterday that it would be

 

[dwayne]

Also, and this may have been covered on the birth right thread, Trump's team are trying to argue that Native America's don't qualify for birthright citizenship.

"Excluding Indians": Trump admin questions Native Americans' birthright citizenship in court

The Trump admin is leaning on a pre-14th Amendment law in its fight to redefine birthright citizenship

www.yahoo.com

Let that sink in. The original people of America, don't qualify for citizenship. Madness.

Yet .....

Exit polling from NBC News found Trump won 65 percent of the vote from “American Indians” (the term used by the pollsters), compared to 57 percent of votes from White Americans. https://dailyinterlake.com/news/202...-americans-are-off-the-democrats-reservation/

Lol.

I think this topic is fairly complicated and it's probably right for questions to be asked of people who want to live on sovereign tribal land and don't really integrate with american society as a whole. Anyway, not something I understand.

 

[Bodian]

I think this topic is fairly complicated and it's probably right for questions to be asked of people who want to live on sovereign tribal land and don't really integrate with american society as a whole. Anyway, not something I understand.

Really??

So, descendants of the original inhabitants of a land need to have questions asked about them because they haven't fully integrated into the society developed by the invaders?

 

[dwayne]

When does the first worthwhile poll come out. I mean, honestly, are people looking at this shit and still going 'yep, he is the right man for the job?'

Majority of Yanks only care about themselves. If the gas prices are lower , interest rates go down and food and drink prices decrease, he will be golden.

 

[dwayne]

Really??

So, descendants of the original inhabitants of a land need to have questions asked about them because they haven't fully integrated into the society developed by the invaders?

Not sure how I feel about it , it's certainly an interesting debate. It's not really how society works in this country. I wouldn't be happy if groups of people just set up their own community , with their own laws , not paying all taxes etc, whether they were the original settlers or not or even whether they were forced Into that hundreds of years ago ..... That's the past, time to move on....

But regardless of this 2/3rds of the Indian community voted for trump so he must have been good for them before..... Unless you are calling them idiots.

 

[beorhthelm]

When does the first worthwhile poll come out. I mean, honestly, are people looking at this shit and still going 'yep, he is the right man for the job?'

well so far, day 4, he's done nothing he didn't say he'd do. and most of it simply doesn't stand up in law anyway, EO are not legislation, meaningful change will have to go through congress. some of it will, watered down and softened. the poll to watch is about year to 18mths from now, once tariffs have kicked in, there's large labour shortages, inflation started going up, and everyone realises that they're no better off.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

How will the women and people of colour that voted for Trump react to this?

They won't know until it happens to them. The media are all in Trump's pocket, so it won't be broadcast to the nation.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Not sure how I feel about it , it's certainly an interesting debate. It's not really how society works in this country. I wouldn't be happy if groups of people just set up their own community , with their own laws , not paying all taxes etc, whether they were the original settlers or not.

But regardless of this 2/3rds of the Indian community voted for trump so he must have been good for them before..... Unless you are calling them idiots.

Just like Australia.

You really believe polls?

 

[dwayne]

Just like Australia.

You really believe polls?

Polls were pretty spot on this time around no need to think they would be specifically skewed for native Indians.

 

[Seagull58]

Yet .....

Exit polling from NBC News found Trump won 65 percent of the vote from “American Indians” (the term used by the pollsters), compared to 57 percent of votes from White Americans. https://dailyinterlake.com/news/202...-americans-are-off-the-democrats-reservation/

Lol.

I think this topic is fairly complicated and it's probably right for questions to be asked of people who want to live on sovereign tribal land and don't really integrate with american society as a whole. Anyway, not something I understand.

Wow! the "sovereign tribal land" you reference is the reservations they were forced into as an alternative to being wiped out by the "American society" that drove them off the rest of their land and committed genocide against them.
It's really not that complicated.

 

[Seagull58]

Really??

So, descendants of the original inhabitants of a land need to have questions asked about them because they haven't fully integrated into the society developed by the invaders?

They even refuse to join the KKK, FFS!

(not that they would be allowed in).

 

[dwayne]

Wow! the "sovereign tribal land" you reference is the reservations they were forced into as an alternative to being wiped out by the "American society" that drove them off the rest of their land and committed genocide against them.
It's really not that complicated.

That's the past though.... things move on. The majority of native Indians live in cities these days. This is the wrong place for this debate. The more interesting debate is why did they vote for trump in their droves?

 

[Seagull58]

That's the past though.... things move on. The majority of native Indians live in cities these days. This is the wrong place for this debate. The more interesting debate is why did they vote for trump in their droves?

Things move and yet DoJ lawyers are arguing that native Americans are excluded from birthright citizenship under the constitution, citing a declaration issued two years before the constitution was ratified.
So, now you're saying the majority live in cities and so, presumably, have integrated?

 

[dwayne]

Things move and yet DoJ lawyers are arguing that native Americans are excluded from birthright citizenship under the constitution, citing a declaration issued two years before the constitution was ratified.

They are clarifying what the position is, probably something that needs to be done when weighing up all due diligence, I think there's a very subtle difference. Interesting that this outrageous action has only been reported in one source and not all over the media.

 

[Bakero]

Not sure how I feel about it , it's certainly an interesting debate. It's not really how society works in this country. I wouldn't be happy if groups of people just set up their own community , with their own laws , not paying all taxes etc, whether they were the original settlers or not.

You've got to be taking the piss

 

[alanfp]

It's not really how society works in this country. I wouldn't be happy if groups of people just set up their own community , with their own laws , not paying all taxes etc, whether they were the original settlers or not.

As Terry Wogan used to say "you're pushing against an open door, there"!

 

[gripper stebson]

Apologies if this has been covered already but this bit of writing on the Occupy Democrats FB page is so good... and sums up my thoughts better than I could.

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?"

Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

"A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."

 

[dwayne]

You've got to be taking the piss

This was clumsily worded.regardless These reservations were set up in the 1800's so don't really see the point of them still existing.

Bottom line is this is a discussion about trump and 2/3rds of that community voted for him.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

They are clarifying what the position is, probably something that needs to be done when weighing up all due diligence, I think there's a very subtle difference. Interesting that this outrageous action has only been reported in one source and not all over the media.

Lakota Man is a fairly reliable poster.

 

[seagullsovergrimsby]

Mad Vlad knows that the orange man-baby is his bitch. Trump said he would end the war in Ukraine a day after he was elected but this has turned out to be bluster and distraction.