[Cricket] Doing the haka if you’re not Maori will be banned in UK

[Neville's Breakfast]

It's not what I 'think we need' it was what the Government agreed that we would implement in order to move on.

I'm somewhat confused now as I thought the majority of people (including yourself and myself) now simply wanted to get it done and move on. Obviously not

I actually don’t know what you are talking about and I don’t really care to find out.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I actually don’t know what you are talking about and I don’t really care to find out.

We signed a deal. We need to now implement our part of that deal in order to move on. The Government won't do this and keep on trying to re-open the negotiations.

I thought it was very simple, but apparently not

 

[Baldseagull]

The very minor point I was actually making is that changes in trading relationships change incentives and opportunities in the economy. No way around it. It’s just almost impossible on here to make any kind of point though without being dragged into an argument if that point is anywhere those posters’ sensitive subject.

Well of course, but from what I have read, there appears to be very little, if anything, of benefit in it for the UK at all, the concern that I share with many, is that deals are being struck with less concern over the details, because it suits the narrative of the Government to be able to say they have struck x number of trade deals. Government own assessment has described the benefit as negligible economically and may actually be negative.

There seems to be no direct economic sense in this, maybe it makes sense in some other geopolitical way with regard to China and the US, but our Government is claiming it is a great FTA for the UK, when it isn't.

 

[SeagullinExile]

No, just don't post it on social media this time.

There's a website for that...

Ratemypoo.com

This is actually true believe it or not!

 

[The Clamp]

The very minor point I was actually making is that changes in trading relationships change incentives and opportunities in the economy. No way around it. It’s just almost impossible on here to make any kind of point though without being dragged into an argument if that point is anywhere those posters’ sensitive subject.

So it’s okay to discuss Brexit it as long as it’s in a positive light? Okay.

Nobody was dragging you into an argument, even though you were clearly spoiling for one with your endless comments about not wanting to be dragged into one.

It’s not an argument at all but it is very hard to talk about Brexit without mentioning Brexit. Sorry if that upsets you but if you post inaccuracies please don’t get upset when they are challenged. It isn’t personal, there’s no arguing or attack. No need to be a snowflake, it’s just a discussion.

 

[father_and_son]

Probably but no professional rugby team would ever consider it, it actually does invoke some respect among the big names, often they will have had some Kiwi influence on them

Pretty sure I've seen the NZ national team do this, and on each occasion the ethnicity of the player was not a barrier to his involvement. Pretty sure players of white European heritage are not all Maori, whichever way to want to slice it. Meaning they shouldn't be involved in a Haka.

 

[vegster]

Well of course, but from what I have read, there appears to be very little, if anything, of benefit in it for the UK at all, the concern that I share with many, is that deals are being struck with less concern over the details, because it suits the narrative of the Government to be able to say they have struck x number of trade deals. Government own assessment has described the benefit as negligible economically and may actually be negative.

There seems to be no direct economic sense in this, maybe it makes sense in some other geopolitical way with regard to China and the US, but our Government is claiming it is a great FTA for the UK, when it isn't.

This is mostly because the government is over a barrel as regards trade deals, we have lost easy access to a huge market ( The EU) and they are running around signing up to anything and calling it a " Win " to deflect from facing the truth.

 

[London Irish]

Pretty sure I've seen the NZ national team do this, and on each occasion the ethnicity of the player was not a barrier to his involvement. Pretty sure players of white European heritage are not all Maori, whichever way to want to slice it. Meaning they shouldn't be involved in a Haka.

Says who? Do the Maori involved in the All Black teams say euro heritage New Zealanders can’t be involved in it? I don’t think it’s the place of any one up here to lay down the law on that really, but to respect what New Zealanders want. It’s funny I keep hearing that it’s the youngsters these days who don’t have any respect for politeness and customs any more, whereas funnily enough it always seems to be somewhat older types

 

[father_and_son]

Says who? Do the Maori involved in the All Black teams say euro heritage New Zealanders can’t be involved in it? I don’t think it’s the place of any one up here to lay down the law on that really, but to respect what New Zealanders want. It’s funny I keep hearing that it’s the youngsters these days who don’t have any respect for politeness and customs any more, whereas funnily enough it always seems to be somewhat older types

The entire thread is based on a joint statement by the respective governments about stopping cultural appropriation. I'm just pointing out that unless the team is made up of all Maoris or the European heritage players stand back, it's pretty hypocritical for the All Blacks to then do it, thus culturally appropriating the Haka.

I am indifferent either way and couldn't give a toss whether they want to do the Haka or Morris dance. I do however find amusement in pointing out the hypocrisy of one group being to be allowed to while telling others they can't.

 

[London Irish]

The entire thread is based on a joint statement by the respective governments about stopping cultural appropriation. I'm just pointing out that unless the team is made up of all Maoris or the European heritage players stand back, it's pretty hypocritical for the All Blacks to then do it, thus culturally appropriating the Haka.

I am indifferent either way and couldn't give a toss whether they want to do the Haka or Morris dance. I do however find amusement in pointing out the hypocrisy of one group being to be allowed to while telling others they can't.

No, I think you have a quite a crude idea of what cultural appropriation is, perhaps read less articles about it in the rightwing UK press and listen more to native activists themselves? It is for the Maori to decide what honours or cheapens their traditions, not you and I posting on North Stand Chat

 

[cunning fergus]

No, I think you have a quite a crude idea of what cultural appropriation is, perhaps read less articles about it in the rightwing UK press and listen more to native activists themselves? It is for the Maori to decide what honours or cheapens their traditions, not you and I posting on North Stand Chat

If the Maoris feel so strongly about protecting their culture and traditions they should stop playing rugby, getting pissed and get the f*ck out of New Zealand.

Otherwise this is a pissing competition between two sets of colonialists.

 

[London Irish]

If the Maoris feel so strongly about protecting their culture and traditions they should stop playing rugby, getting pissed and get the f*ck out of New Zealand.

Otherwise this is a pissing competition between two sets of colonialists.

Would love to hear you say that to the face of a Maori rugby guy but I reckon messageboards are more your thing

 

[WATFORD zero]

Would love to hear you say that to the face of a Maori rugby guy but I reckon messageboards are more your thing

I understand that within the constraints of Financial Compliance circles, he's reckoned to be quite an excitable individual

Obviously, a little more inhibited than he appears on NSC

 

[cunning fergus]

Would love to hear you say that to the face of a Maori rugby guy but I reckon messageboards are more your thing

Well, if you put it that way, if I was confronted by one of these specimens, I would use the old Louis de Zoysa manoeuvre, tried and tested.

Isn't that exactly why Maoris along with other primitive peoples were conquered?

 

[cunning fergus]

I understand that within the constraints of Financial Compliance circles, he's reckoned to be quite an excitable individual

Obviously, a little more inhibited than he appears on NSC :lol


Bravo, and yet you still needed to edit that…..lose your nerve on anything else you want to disclose?

I like your interest, it’s cute…..

 

[London Irish]

Well, if you put it that way, if I was confronted by one of these specimens, I would use the old Louis de Zoysa manoeuvre, tried and tested.

Isn't that exactly why Maoris along with other primitive peoples were conquered?

Who do you think is going to be impressed by stuff like this? I’d probably avoid the open mic night if I were you

 

[The Clamp]

This is disappointing news. I’m nothing without my coffee, Daily Mail and a quick Haka in the morning.