[Cricket] Doing the haka if you’re not Maori will be banned in UK

[Dave the OAP]

One one of these corporate BS a team building days we were taught how to do a haka! The one that people normally do that doesn’t involve the slitting of the throat gesture. Tamate, Tamate, Kora Kora one.

We were actually taught the meaning of every word and gesture and it is such an evocative dance.

Some of the YouTube ones for homecoming soldiers or family or the funeral of school teachers etc are really powerful.

 

[NooBHA]

If I spot anyone who isn't Scottish drinking whisky or Irn Bru I will be reporting them to the police.

And if they are caught eating haggis then that's a hanging offence.

I mean there's no one more politically correct than me but exporting food,customs and traditions should be celebrated and not curtailed. Whoever instigated this has got it badly wrong. There are many things which needs to be protected in terms of human rights for indigenous people and ethnic minorities but this isn't one of them.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I didn’t blame anybody. I responded to a post about UK sheep farmers losing out to the NZ trade deal. I pointed out that there are winners and losers to every trade deal. I gave an example from my experience and shared a story about a bloke I know. It’s a chat. You have pointed out some simple facts and I have done the same. Am I not allowed to mention my simple facts ?

 

[The Clamp]

Yes, that’s a good point. Part of a bigger picture though. If we are to prioritize climate change we need a better plan than singling out NZ.



There are always winners and losers with trade deals. I know someone who lost his farming business in Jersey when the UK joined the EU. No-one worried about him and he and his family had to leave the island for good to find work in Norfolk.

Interesting how you didn’t see any disadvantages until someone pointed them out then you’re all “there’s winners and losers in any trade deal”

Brexit was supposed to have the U.K. come out on the winning side of trade deals, wasn’t it?

Look how that is working out …

The UK’s free trade agreement threatens to be a one sided deal with little benefit for British producers that risks sacrificing food security and standards, warned members of the food and drink industry.

https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/A...ealand-trade-deal-threatens-British-producers

New Zealand trade deal threatens to damage the viability of UK farming, industry bodies warn

https://www.pig-world.co.uk/news/ne...ility-of-uk-farming-industry-bodies-warn.html

Furious farmers slam Boris Johnson's new trade deal with New Zealand as they warn it will have 'huge downsides' for UK agriculture and could put British farms out of business amid fears of wave of cheap lamb imports

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....oris-Johnsons-new-trade-deal-New-Zealand.html


The New Zealand trade deal has some ‘big winners’, but UK farming isn’t one

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/the-gro...inners-but-uk-farming-isnt-one/661042.article

 

[Swansman]

Annoying news as everyone needs to move their goal posts.

Climate question and the topic of domestic production suddenly becoming very important to those usually very worried about the consequences of not being able to trade everything everywhere due to leaving the EU.

In the other direction, things previously seen as "snowflakey" "cancel culture" such as banning some foreign dance is now all of a sudden either nothing to care about or a sign of BJ showing some kind of cultural sensitivity.

Highlights the main issue with politics... what happens is not important, who makes it happen is all that matters.

 

[London Irish]

Would a professional rugby team count as commercial?

Probably but no professional rugby team would ever consider it, it actually does invoke some respect among the big names, often they will have had some Kiwi influence on them

 

[The Clamp]

Annoying news as everyone needs to move their goal posts.

Climate question and the topic of domestic production suddenly becoming very important to those usually very worried about the consequences of not being able to trade everything everywhere due to leaving the EU.

In the other direction, things previously seen as "snowflakey" "cancel culture" such as banning some foreign dance is now all of a sudden either nothing to care about or a sign of BJ showing some kind of cultural sensitivity.

Highlights the main issue with politics... what happens is not important, who makes it happen is all that matters.

People have been pointing out for years now that the trade deals we make would have climate implications and will likely detrimentally affect U.K. production and standards. Literally years. Claiming they haven’t is frankly ridiculous.

I think you just counter arguments for the sake of it. None of what you say seems to make any sense of have any consistency. Verging on trolling tbh.

 

[A mex eyecan]

This, with bells on.

and armed with sticks

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Interesting how you didn’t see any disadvantages until someone pointed them out then you’re all “there’s winners and losers in any trade deal”

Brexit was supposed to have the U.K. come out on the winning side of trade deals, wasn’t it?

Look how that is working out …

The UK’s free trade agreement threatens to be a one sided deal with little benefit for British producers that risks sacrificing food security and standards, warned members of the food and drink industry.

https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/A...ealand-trade-deal-threatens-British-producers

New Zealand trade deal threatens to damage the viability of UK farming, industry bodies warn

https://www.pig-world.co.uk/news/ne...ility-of-uk-farming-industry-bodies-warn.html

Furious farmers slam Boris Johnson's new trade deal with New Zealand as they warn it will have 'huge downsides' for UK agriculture and could put British farms out of business amid fears of wave of cheap lamb imports

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....oris-Johnsons-new-trade-deal-New-Zealand.html


The New Zealand trade deal has some ‘big winners’, but UK farming isn’t one

https://www.thegrocer.co.uk/the-gro...inners-but-uk-farming-isnt-one/661042.article

I’m not sure conversations work like that old chap. Someone made a point and I replied, like I would down the pub. I don’t know about your local, but in mine there isn’t someone sat in the corner saying ‘interesting that you didn’t see any disadvantages until someone pointed them out…’ I wasn’t looking to be in an argument but you and Watford could find one of those in an empty room. I suggest you relax, have a nice chat and watch the Man U v Liverpool game.

 

[Baldseagull]

Pathetic, in retaliation we should ban morris dancing if not English.

We appropriated that from the Moors apparently.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

Edit…Although I’m guessing British farmers lose out? Of course they do. Nice one Johnson, you ****ing Johnson.

Frankly, if British farmers can't persuade people (through price or quality) that we should buy their lamb over an alternative produced on the other side of the planet, then they shouldn't be in that business in the first place.

Whether we should be growing as much lamb/sheep/meat in general is another matter. Presumably nobody who's that bothered by the food miles will be buying NZ lamb anyway.

 

[Baldseagull]

Yes, that’s a good point. Part of a bigger picture though. If we are to prioritize climate change we need a better plan than singling out NZ.



There are always winners and losers with trade deals. I know someone who lost his farming business in Jersey when the UK joined the EU. No-one worried about him and he and his family had to leave the island for good to find work in Norfolk.

Jersey isn't part of the UK though, I suspect a lot of non UK based businesses that may have exported to the UK would have become relatively more expensive for UK buyers after joining the EU (or EEC as was) made EU produce cheaper.

 

[The Clamp]

I’m not sure conversations work like that old chap. Someone made a point and I replied, like I would down the pub. I don’t know about your local, but in mine there isn’t someone sat in the corner saying ‘interesting that you didn’t see any disadvantages until someone pointed them out…’ I wasn’t looking to be in an argument but you and Watford could find one of those in an empty room. I suggest you relax, have a nice chat and watch the Man U v Liverpool game.

You’re like that character down the pub who doesn’t know his own mind from the Fast Show

“There’s no disadvantages to a trade deal with New Zealand”

Well, yes there are actually, these ones

“Yeah well, there’s winners and losers in every trade deal”

You don’t half spout a load of nonsense when you get called on your bullshit.

 

[The Clamp]

Frankly, if British farmers can't persuade people (through price or quality) that we should buy their lamb over an alternative produced on the other side of the planet, then they shouldn't be in that business in the first place.

Whether we should be growing as much lamb/sheep/meat in general is another matter. Presumably nobody who's that bothered by the food miles will be buying NZ lamb anyway.

There is a modicum of theoretical truth in what you say.

 

[Baldseagull]

Frankly, if British farmers can't persuade people (through price or quality) that we should buy their lamb over an alternative produced on the other side of the planet, then they shouldn't be in that business in the first place.

Whether we should be growing as much lamb/sheep/meat in general is another matter. Presumably nobody who's that bothered by the food miles will be buying NZ lamb anyway.

I would have thought the least worrying nation to be exposed to in terms of agricultural produce should be New Zealand, they have no subsidies. Land prices are far lower, though and pasture does not need fertilising as it less intensively grazed, but the cost of refrigerated transport must counter that. I will have a look into what the UK farmers concerns are.

 

[The Clamp]

I would have thought the least worrying nation to be exposed to in terms of agricultural produce should be New Zealand, they have no subsidies. Land prices are far lower, though and pasture does not need fertilising as it less intensively grazed, but the cost of refrigerated transport must counter that. I will have a look into what the UK farmers concerns are.

Agreed. I don’t see an issue with NZ food standards. I gather they are high.

 

[Sid in the Sharknado]

I will have a look into what the UK farmers concerns are.

If they're openly saying "We're worried we'll be put out of business by their low prices" I'll at least give them points for honesty.

 

[MTSeagulls]

We appropriated that from the Moors apparently.

Beware of the moors.

 

[Baldseagull]

Beware of the moors.

I will stay on the road.

 

[vegster]

Britain’s historic free trade deal with New Zealand includes a ban on culturally appropriating the haka dance often performed by the country’s sports teams.

The prime minister said the new deal will cut costs for exporters and open up the country’s job market to UK professionals.

During a Zoom call on Wednesday, Boris Johnson and his counterpart Jacinda Ardern agreed to its terms, which also include commitments from the UK to protect New Zealand’s iconic haka, Ka Mate.

Haka is a ceremonial dance in Māori culture – the indigenous Polynesian people of mainland New Zealand.

The terms were agreed after a group of NHS nurses in West Devon performed an altered haka in facepaint while chanting about ‘destroying’ Covid-19 in April last year.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/22/doin...oure-not-maori-will-be-banned-in-uk-15468170/

No doubt if we ever sign a trade deal with the US we will have to lay off all our Elvis impersonators as part of the deal.