pork pie
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To compare the two really proves how stupid you are! lol
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Doesn't look good for the terrorist Mandela
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To compare the two really proves how stupid you are! lol
daveinprague
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Sydney...yeah, like we have been saying...it will take generations....Natal was a battleground for Inkatha and ANC... so hardly surprising.
Porkpie.. even the Afrikaaners have representation in parliament...a lot more than black people ever recieved during the apartheid govts.
Porkpie.. even the Afrikaaners have representation in parliament...a lot more than black people ever recieved during the apartheid govts.
pork pie
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What good is representation? Just to give some sort of legitimacy from having some "token whites"? They have no real chance of gaining any power ever again. As has been said, the ANC will not allow any real opposition to exist.
Albumen
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I know you're fishing but jeez. I fear for the BBC, the tories are starting to get a stranglehold on it. Over two days this week there was an peak-time army recruitment 'film' poorly disguised as a (terrible) drama (Our Girl), then the unbalanced documentary gush of the utter ****er Boris Johnson. The lack of NHS de-nationalisation true reporting on the news is worrying too. Let's face it, with this lot in charge the whole country is corrupt.
KZNSeagull
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1. What has Marikana got to do with Nelson Mandela averting a civil war 20 years ago?
2. No-one knows exactly what happened at Marikana (and I doubt that we ever will), but 44 people died there - 10 security guards, mine employees and police in the week before the massacre, 34 at the massacre. It was a systematic failure on all fronts - the government and trade unions for allowing strikes to turn violent (which is the norm now here sadly), and the police for their response to severe provocation.
3. I notice you do not mention the black farmers in Zim that were also brutalised, their land and possessions stolen. The situation in Zim was and still is all about political power, not some sort of anti-white crusade.
4. The ANC has failed the majority of people it is supposed to represent - it's record on education, healthcare, corruption, employment etc etc is appalling. However, that does not mean that "they" cannot govern - it means that those in power are incompetent. But then, the UK's record of government is not great either is it, so perhaps we whities cannot govern either?
5. What we do have in South Africa is a strong constitution and a growing opposition to the government. We have over 100,000 non-governmental, usually non-profit organisations that are doing fabulous work in all areas of society that you do not hear about - people who do not sit around all day waiting for government to do something for them, but those who get up and do things for themselves. We have the freedom that allows people like Moletsi Mbeki and Dr Mamphela Ramphele to be scathingly critical of this government without being locked up. Will SA become another Zim? Not whilst there are people like these about.
The Large One
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Wow.
To be called stupid by someone as ignorant as you is quite a badge of honour. It means I'm doing or saying something right.
I will wear it with pride.
KZNSeagull
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They don't like losing, no, but can I just point out that the Western Cape has been run by the Democratic Alliance for quite some time now and many parts of the country are slowly going the same way - hardly not allowing them to exist is it?
Shame, you missed the part where he was talking about the MBA he was studying for.
pork pie
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Thank you for such a detailed reply. You confirmed the facts about the ANC which others on here simply cannot grasp. It is rather unfair to compare the UK Government with the state of South African society, or even any African country. We are a functioning state, and whilst we believe that we have much to moan about, it is marginal compared to the poor people of Africa's lot.
Oh no, not the old the-BBC-is-a-hotbed-of-lefties myth.
The current chairman of the BBC Trust is Lord Patten, who served Prime Minister Thatcher and our nation so loyally, here and abroad. The Political Editor used to be chairman of the Young Conservatives. The long-serving Chief Political Correspondent recently left to take up a job as Boris Johnson's PR man. The current Editor of live programmes was in a right-wing organisation that was so extreme that even Norman Tebbit was obliged to close it down for being too right-wing loopy. That was the Federation of Conservative Students. Remember them? Maggie's Militant Tendency, they called themselves. Hardly a gang of swivel-eyed Marxist nutters plaguing our airwaves. And you don't get Labour supporters citing these facts as evidence of supposed right-wing bias at the BBC.
I have no idea how many influential people who work at the BBC you have met, and I'd be happy to be shot down in flames if your experiences are radically different to mine. By influential, I mean decision-makers like commissioning editors, anchors, producers, reporters, editors, presenters and the like. My job has obliged me to come into contact with the BBC from time to time so I've met quite a few of these people over the last few decades and, if I was asked to take an educated guess at their political leanings, I would say that they all gave the appearance of being natural Tory voters. All of the ones I have met, without exception, come from relatively well-off backgrounds and every single one was educated privately. I've only met a few dozen such people in this huge organisation, but natural-born lefties appear to me to be thin on the ground at the Beeb in my experience.
I am not suggesting that private education therefore equals right-winger. But the likelihood that they are all raving Trotskyites is, at the very least, open to question.
These arty-farty pinkos with tweed jackets, beards and elbow-patches you talk about....where are they then? I would be amazed, absolutely staggered even, if you were to spend a month wandering the corridors of the BBC and you found even one person who resembled this ridiculous stereotype. Of course, you are entitled to your views about the BBC, but is it really fair to state stuff like this with no evidence at all?
Just because a news organisation does not express traditional right-wing views does not automatically mean it is left-wing, or vice-versa. Just because a news organisation poses what some, on the right and the left, might consider to be uncomfortable questions, doesn't make it necessarily against that particular view; it means it's being neutral and asking for opinions to be clarified on behalf of their viewers and / or listeners. This is exactly what it is supposed to be doing. Indeed, it is obliged by law to do exactly this; to uphold impartiality. Just the same as ITN and Sky News.
The idea that an organisation this vast could possibly lean one way more than the other is difficult to sustain; it's just too bloody big and spread out. If it were possible, however, the balance of probability is that it would bend to the right, if anything. And I don't for one moment think that it does.
pork pie
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"Studied for" El Porno, a long time ago now. The point was simply made to demonstrate that the person was educated, but still believed that giving and taking bribes was a legitimate means of doing business. How do you tell students to account for them when you are teaching?
pork pie
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You do that. Maybe you could wear it when you are receiving your next mega bribe in some corrupt english business deal. You do know the EU/UK laws on anything even resembling bribes, and the penalties? Sorry, a smart guy like you obviously knows all about Corporate Governance in the UK.
Stick them in entertaining expenses of course.
pork pie
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Christ, that would be one hell of a hangover! lol
The Large One
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Good post. My limited, but real, contact with the BBC, while probably less extensive than yours, is entirely consistent with this. I think the BBC could be justifiably accused of being middle-class in orientation, and too bound up with what goes on in London and SE England (though they are trying to rectify this, and the recent shift of some activities to Salford will help). But they really don't come over as left-wing to me at all, and I'd be interested to see the evidence which confirms this supposed bias.
pork pie
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Yes, I do. If you really think there is still large-scale corruption in this country, even in places like the Construction Industry where it used to be rife, you are even more stupid than you make out. It is at a point where many people are too scared to go to lunch with a supplier, or take a "bottle" at Christmas. Those that will go generally have limits on what they are allowed to accept, and are generally required to register the "gift". The same applies to suppliers as well to protect them.
To compare it with China is simply beyond comprehension. How do you think all of the Chinease students at our universities afford all of their luxuries? Daddy in high up in the party, and on the take.
I've only just bothered to open this thread. I'm more annoyed about the fact I've been outmanouvered by my chums and tonight I'm going to a ****ing jazz club than anything Bushy might say.
Socialist Sid
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That doesn't leave me upset.
I must admit ( and my tailor measures me so ) that I do indeed dress to the left but I agree with the op that Nelson Mandela was a terrorist many years ago, there's no denying that even behind the freedom fighter argument imo.
However, I do believe that history will judge and correctly prove him as a good man ( Nelson, not the op ).
KZNSeagull
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SA is a functioning state too, but with some extremely serious problems.
The economic growth in this country has been excellent since 1994. Despite many issues, we still have economic growth higher than the UK and our banking system is one of the most solid in world. The private sector has done very well, but the public sector is holding the country back.
Read this if you are interested: http://www.sagoodnews.co.za/newsletter_archive/there_are_two_south_africas.html