[Albion] Do Forest have a better squad than us?

[Bozza]

I wanted him when Potter left:

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Not a single 'like'. In fact, this was the only response:

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I'll put @driller on the undecided pile for now.

 

[Freddo]

Yes much better. They’ve picked up a mix of players who are still young but have EPL experience and a point to prove and combined them with shrewd signings like Morato who is only 23 but better than any of our centre backs.

Do you mean Murillo? He’s definitely better than any of our centre backs, but I don’t see anything to say Morato is better than Van Hecke.

 

[Hiheidi]

This is really to highlight what form, belief, confidence and having had a decent period of time to work together. This is a side that struggled last season let’s not forget.

Margins are tiny at this level, and getting a run of belief gets you scoring every presentable chance.

Nuno has needed pretty much a year at the club and shaped a style to suit their squad.

Same with Bournemouth. They had a dire start to last season with a new Manager, but picked up as it went on - and now seem to be flying.

 

[TottonSeagull]

I'm questioning plenty but also supporting, because if those who want him out now get their way then they had better have a rock solid, guaranteed manager in mind to replace him.

Makes no difference what we all think! Personally, i don't think he will ever be up to Prem League and will take us no where BUT TB will decide and will certainly give him this season and probably at least some of next before any decisions are made!
FH is not beyond criticism and at the moment he is not showing any leadership or that he has the ability to improve the players! He deserves to be questioned!
Mentioning Big Sam is always the apologist's reply to any questioning of the manager!

 

[GT49er]

Why not? He had Wolves deep into the Europa league knockout stages.

Yes, but we all know (or thought we knew) that was down to a relationship with an agent for top Portuguese players which neant they got a lot of seriously good Portuguese players at rather favourable rates. Wolves, for a time, were effectively a bloody good Portuguese team!
Nuno was pretty shit at Spurs though (well, Spurs at the time were pretty shit anyway!)

 

[Justice]

Why not indeed? So where was everyone demanding we go all out to get him? Or was everyone too busy wishing we could get big Ange? No one knows ANYTHING!

I personally would have gone for the current Frankfurt manager in the summer.
Dino Topmoller has had an interesting career so far a young coach who used to be Nagelsmann's assistant manager.
Would he have been tempted to the PL with a £200m war chest maybe.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Mentioning Big Sam is always the apologist's reply to any questioning if the manager!

No, it was my reply to you stating what a little experience can get you. I wonder if you wanted an experienced manager back in May/June (maybe you did and in which case fair play) because virtually everyone seemed delighted that we took a risk with a young inexperienced manager and now that things aren't going so well people are turning very quickly and complaining about his lack of experience! Again, I have plenty of doubts but you're right, what we think doesn't really matter anyway so for me, it's best to support and ideally come up with a song and give him a bit of a boost from the stands.

 

[chickens]

Defensively they are far superior. A manger who plays everyone in their BEST positions. SAME 11 most games not a project manager. We do like a project manager.
We spend £40m on a player who is now on the bench and isn’t sure where to be when he does play we have many problems with this rookie coach.

Nuno doesn’t have the same job as Fab. Fab’s got to take a revolving conveyor belt of players, many of whom are unfamiliar with the PL, and turn them into players the club can sell higher up the food chain. When several come in for the same position at once, Fab has to rotate them. He’s also got to win matches in the PL to show those players to advantage.

I’m sure Fab would love to have a perfectly balanced squad assembled purely for Premier League (and European) football. That’s not what he’s been hired to do. It’s a tough ask, and this season he’s doing it while acclimatising to the league himself.

It’s a lot of plates to keep spinning, and he’s only going to get better from here.

 

[Justice]

No, it was my reply to you stating what a little experience can get you. I wonder if you wanted an experienced manager back in May/June (maybe you did and in which case fair play) because virtually everyone seemed delighted that we took a risk with a young inexperienced manager and now that things aren't going so well people are turning very quickly and complaining about his lack of experience! Again, I have plenty of doubts but you're right, what we think doesn't really matter anyway so for me, it's best to support and ideally come up with a song and give him a bit of a boost from the stands.

I can see why McKenna was the top target and he probably should have followed his head and not his heart. He is very popular with his players and with our squad who knows where we would be.

 

[dstanman]

Thought they would of been falling away by now, but still there. Do have a number of experienced players in their squad which is helps

 

[Justice]

Nuno doesn’t have the same job as Fab. Fab’s got to take a revolving conveyor belt of players, many of whom are unfamiliar with the PL, and turn them into players the club can sell higher up the food chain. When several come in for the same position at once, Fab has to rotate them. He’s also got to win matches in the PL to show those players to advantage.

I’m sure Fab would love to have a perfectly balanced squad assembled purely for Premier League (and European) football. That’s not what he’s been hired to do. It’s a tough ask, and this season he’s doing it while acclimatising to the league himself.

It’s a lot of plates to keep spinning, and he’s only going to get better from here.

Doesn’t every manager have the same job? Results they live or die by them. Because we were winning no one questioned the Trossard or Sanchez sales. If Fab had us in the top 4 and dropped say Beleba we wouldn’t question it. That’s football for you.

 

[Deadly Danson]

I can see why McKenna was the top target and he probably should have followed his head and not his heart. He is very popular with his players and with our squad who knows where we would be.

Who knows indeed. Probably, with a young, new squad and our injuries, up and down like FH. Every manager is a gamble.

 

[tronnogull]

No they don't, but they do have a striker who is on fire, a manager that has them organised, playing to their strengths, hard to score against, and knows his best side. All the things we don't essentially.

Plus they have a settled squad without many injury absences...

 

[AlbionBro]

I feel a better manager, but not a better squad.

 

[Weststander]

Doesn’t every manager have the same job? Results they live or die by them. Because we were winning no one questioned the Trossard or Sanchez sales. If Fab had us in the top 4 and dropped say Beleba we wouldn’t question it. That’s football for you.

forgetting a couple of people with an anti Roberto vendetta.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Do you mean Murillo? He’s definitely better than any of our centre backs, but I don’t see anything to say Morato is better than Van Hecke.

Yes. Both Brazilian, both 23 or under, both beginning with M. I named the wrong one.

But their “pool” of centre backs is way, way better than ours.

 

[Zeberdi]

Makes no difference what we all think! Personally, i don't think he will ever be up to Prem League and will take us no where BUT TB will decide and will certainly give him this season and probably at least some of next before any decisions are made!
FH is not beyond criticism and at the moment he is not showing any leadership or that he has the ability to improve the players! He deserves to be questioned!
Mentioning Big Sam is always the apologist's reply to any questioning of the manager!

Quite.

A minority of impatient moaning fans won’t change the plans.

Although I do disagree with your assessment that he‘ll never be Premier League level - if he wasn’t PL level do you honestly think we would have signed him?

Yes ask questions but it’s far too soon to start saying he won’t take us anywhere.

How long did we give Potter before he got us to 9th place in the League? - we’re not doing too badly- played well against Brentford let down by our failure to convert.

Still only 3 points from a Europa qualifying place half way through the season and no fear of relegation with some great players who could be breakouts next season.

FH is a project manager, I think we need to give him time to develop both the team and as an EPL manager - that may not give some folk the results they want this season.

EDIT oops wrong thread - OT!

 

[Freddo]

Yes. Both Brazilian, both 23 or under, both beginning with M. I named the wrong one.

But their “pool” of centre backs is way, way better than ours.

Fair enough, and yeah I agree. Their other centre back Milenkovic has proved a great signing.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

It’s no fluke they’re where they are, I’m confident they will qualify for Europe now and there’s every chance it will be in the Champions League.

I think a lot of people are under estimating just how good some of their players are individually. Milenkovic, Murillo, Sels, Aina, MGW, Elanga, Hudson-Odoi, Wood - these are proper players who would do a good job for all PL teams. Obviously no one could have accurately predicted this in the summer as no one knew how good some of them would do and progress in the PL but as the season has gone on, they’ve shown their real quality.

Nuno is also a very competent manager who has recreated exactly what he did at Wolves, I’ve heard a few Wolves fans comment on this and say how similar Forest now look to how they did when they qualified for Europe. The fans have totally bought in and it’s a really hard ground to play at.

It’s a perfect storm of a very good manager and talented group of players coming together in a season at the right time. Unfortunately for them it won’t last as Wood is getting on and Murillo, Milenkovic, Aina and MGW etc will all be snapped up by bigger clubs soon.

 

[kevo]

I feel a better manager, but not a better squad.

Or perhaps just a more experienced manager.