Dead horse dumped outside Brighton Station

[Brovion]

Actually I've been here before. During the veal protests at Shoreham Harbour (remember them?) I recall being amazed at the blue-rinsed old ladies shouting 'Scum!' at the Metropolitan Police. I remember thinking "Yeah, where were you when the miners and printworkers needed you? Probably siding with Thatcher and the Police. A load of doe-eyed calfs appear and you treat it like Jews being sent to Auschwitz".

I suppose I'm just a jaded political activist appalled that animals can generate such emotion when humans can't - witness all these threads.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Brovian has got this spot on. It was a distasteful stunt but the reaction on here is out of all proportion.

Depending on the individual it is out of proportion. Some on here may look upon animals with more respect than you and not appreciate a horse and two calves being dumped in public and stabbed with placards.

 

[caz99]

i am not really old enough to remember the miners strikes, poll tax protests etc however i can assure you that they would have generated the same amount of reaction from me as this thread so on that point you can get stuffed.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

Brovian

The old chestnut of the miners strike .

Tell me did you feel so angry or enraged when 100 000 people have lost their jobs in the Financial Services / Insurance Industry as well. I don't remember marches being organised for that one.

Are you planning a march in favour of the 1800 people who will lose their jobs at Norwich Union because they are moving the operation to India.

No.

But the miners strike, thats more trendy and right on isn't it.

Also this thread was about banning fox hunting and the eaction of the pro's , but you have hijacked it and taken it completely off topic.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Depending on the individual it is out of proportion. Some on here may look upon animals with more respect than you and not appreciate a horse and two calves being dumped in public and stabbed with placards.

Did you read the post. I find the whole stunt distasteful. People should be prevented from dumping dead animals on the public highway. Doesn't stop the reaction on here being out of proportion to the crime.

 

[CHAPPERS]

Did you read the post. I find the whole stunt distasteful. People should be prevented from dumping dead animals on the public highway. Doesn't stop the reaction on here being out of proportion to the crime.

Fair play, I didn't think that you weer saying it was okay or anything, I just think to some people it was more disgusting than it is to you.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

Brovian

The old chestnut of the miners strike .

Tell me did you feel so angry or enraged when 100 000 people have lost their jobs in the Financial Services / Insurance Industry as well. I don't remember marches being organised for that one.

Are you planning a march in favour of the 1800 people who will lose their jobs at Norwich Union because they are moving the operation to India.

No.

But the miners strike, thats more trendy and right on isn't it.

Also this thread was about banning fox hunting and the eaction of the pro's , but you have hijacked it and taken it completely off topic.

Were the failed yuppies in the financial services industry organised enough to defend their own jobs? No. For the most part, they despised trade unionism and were dedicated to the principle that market forces would deliver them a more than comfortable life style.

Unsurprisingly, they were proved wrong.

And I doubt that they've learned the lesson that even the bumpkins from the Countryside Alliance have grasped. Organise yourselves if you want to get support for your cause.

 

[bhaexpress]

Were the failed yuppies in the financial services industry organised enough to defend their own jobs? No. For the most part, they despised trade unionism and were dedicated to the principle that market forces would deliver them a more than comfortable life style.

Unsurprisingly, they were proved wrong.

And I doubt that they've learned the lesson that even the bumpkins from the Countryside Alliance have grasped. Organise yourselves if you want to get support for your cause.

All I can say is hear hear.

 

[aftershavedave]

Were the failed yuppies in the financial services industry organised enough to defend their own jobs? No. For the most part, they despised trade unionism and were dedicated to the principle that market forces would deliver them a more than comfortable life style.

Unsurprisingly, they were proved wrong.

And I doubt that they've learned the lesson that even the bumpkins from the Countryside Alliance have grasped. Organise yourselves if you want to get support for your cause.

given that the financial services industry is largely non-unionised, how do you expect organisation? it's simply not true that those people who've lost many jobs are or were "dedicated to the principle that market forces would deliver them a more than comfortable lifestyle"; for the most part the lost jobs were low skilled clerical positions (eg call centre work) hardly capital city.....

 

[Brovion]

Brovian

The old chestnut of the miners strike .

Tell me did you feel so angry or enraged when 100 000 people have lost their jobs in the Financial Services / Insurance Industry as well. I don't remember marches being organised for that one.

Are you planning a march in favour of the 1800 people who will lose their jobs at Norwich Union because they are moving the operation to India.

No.

But the miners strike, thats more trendy and right on isn't it.

Also this thread was about banning fox hunting and the eaction of the pro's , but you have hijacked it and taken it completely off topic.

People losing their jobs in the financial services industry didn't destroy whole communities, surely not even you can equate the two?

Also I didn't hijack the thread, all I said originally was that there was a lot of over-reaction (hysterical over-reacion in fact) to an admittedly distasteful stunt. caz 'keyboard warrior' 99, then asked what I'd done so I gave her a brief precis.

caz, just telling me to 'get stuffed' isn't really helping your argument (although it probably makes you feel better). I want to see you down on the street for the next anti-globalisation protest. That's about animals too y'know.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

1800 people in Norwich may well affect a large part of that Town I would think. I would imagine many families will suffer but its just not trrendy enough to get the lefties interested.

 

[caz99]

People losing their jobs in the financial services industry didn't destroy whole communities, surely not even you can equate the two?

Also I didn't hijack the thread, all I said originally was that there was a lot of over-reaction (hysterical over-reacion in fact) to an admittedly distasteful stunt. caz 'keyboard warrior' 99, then asked what I'd done so I gave her a brief precis.

caz, just telling me to 'get stuffed' isn't really helping your argument (although it probably makes you feel better). I want to see you down on the street for the next anti-globalisation protest. That's about animals too y'know.

i never said i didn't support those things though did i? your to busy preaching about your holyer than tho existence than ask anyone esle. so you were around protesting against poll tax and the miners strikes to were you? yes of course you were silly question. its nice to know that perfect people are produced. i think to be honest your stuck to far up your own arse.

pot calling kettle black in relation to keyboard warrior. if you want me to start getting nasty then i hope you have a job and i am not supporting your swampy like antics

 

[Lord Bracknell]

given that the financial services industry is largely non-unionised, how do you expect organisation? it's simply not true that those people who've lost many jobs are or were "dedicated to the principle that market forces would deliver them a more than comfortable lifestyle"; for the most part the lost jobs were low skilled clerical positions (eg call centre work) hardly capital city.....

As a former employee of what was then the National Union of Bank Employees, all I can say is that there are unionised firms in the industry.

I'm a bit out of touch, but my guess is that trade union membership is still the best way to defend jobs and prevent them being exported out of the country.

I find it really depressing that a lot of people with "low skilled clerical positions" have embraced (and continue to embrace) the Thatcherite myth that trade unionism is pointless and "bad for Britain".

 

[Brovion]

i never said i didn't support those things though did i? your to busy preaching about your holyer than tho existence than ask anyone esle. so you were around protesting against poll tax and the miners strikes to were you? yes of course you were silly question. its nice to know that perfect people are produced. i think to be honest your stuck to far up your own arse.

pot calling kettle black in relation to keyboard warrior. if you want me to start getting nasty then i hope you have a job and i am not supporting your swampy like antics

Jeez lighten up woman. You accused me of 'sitting around on my arse' I merely pointed out that in fact I didn't and hadn't. You could have apologised then but chose not to. Please note that I haven't asked what you've done, I'm a lot older than you and so obviously have got more 'battle honors'. I do care more about humans than animals and I'm sorry if that comes over as being 'stuck up my own arse'. All I've done is state my view and answer your questions and accusations.

Ps, you're right about one thing - I AM perfect!

 

[caz99]

sorry what would i be apologising for? no on has apologised to me either cos my views are different

 

[somerset]

I suppose I'm just a jaded political activist appalled that animals can generate such emotion when humans can't - witness all these threads.

Difference being though mate, humans can if motivated enough, stand up for them selves, little dough-eyed calves can't.

 

[Lord Bracknell]

1800 people in Norwich may well affect a large part of that Town I would think. I would imagine many families will suffer but its just not trrendy enough to get the lefties interested.

Even Norwich Union recognise that the Trade Union is a threat to their plans to cut jobs:-

[from the Amicus website]

Norwich Union bars Amicus from company premises
on the back of offshoring survey results

6 September 2004

Norwich Union has today barred Amicus which represents nearly 10,000 of its workforce from its sites in Norwich and York on the back of a union offshoring survey that showed 99.9 per cent of staff fear further job cuts at the company.

The offshoring survey was sent to roughly 9,000 Amicus members within Norwich Union and attracted 1,909 replies that show Norwich Union staff have major concerns over the company's drive to offshore jobs (see notes to editors for further details).

On the back of the results Amicus had arranged a number of site visits in Norwich and York today plus Stevenage and Perth on later dates. However, Norwich Union management have refused access and denied accredited union representatives time-off to participate in this campaign.

Amicus has a partnership agreement with the company that covers this type of activity, it grants the union access to carry out its business within company premises.

In Norwich the company has gone even further and denied Amicus officers access to the union office where some of the full-time Seconded Representatives are based.

Amicus Regional Officer Mark Robinson said: 'Norwich Union management are being totally unreasonable in banning Amicus from its premises. The effect of this is to force us to hand material to Norwich Union employees at the entrances of sites as they arrive and finish work.

'We will continue to do this until such time as the company allows us back in and we will continue to represent the 10,000 members we have already within Norwich Union.'

-ends-

For further information please contact Brian Harris 07798 531 014

Notes to editors
Key findings of the Amicus Norwich Union Offshoring Survey Include:
99.9% of Norwich Union Staff fear further job cuts
78% have job security worries
70% think the decision to offshore was not justified
93% say the offshoring decision was taken purely for short-term gains
3% say the offshoring decision was based on clear business arguments
57% have dealt with complaints from customers over the service of offshore operations
91% say customers should know their data is stored and processed abroad
94% are concerned about the quality of service provided by offshore functions
94% think that offshoring has damaged the Norwich Union brand or revenues

Amicus is the UK's largest private sector Union with 1.1m members and represents over 50,000 workers in the insurance sector. Amicus is the only recognised union within Norwich Union and has just short of 10,000 members within the company. The union and company signed a partnership agreement in January 2003.

 

[Brovion]

1800 people in Norwich may well affect a large part of that Town I would think. I would imagine many families will suffer but its just not trrendy enough to get the lefties interested.

Rubbish. 1800 in a population the size of Norwich isn't anything like the same. However I didn't actually start the protests over the miners etc., I just joined in As Lord B says they're going to have to get organised, I haven't got time to do it as I'm too busy arguing with you and caz99!

(PS - Now who's taken it off topic?)

 

[somerset]

Brovian

The old chestnut of the miners strike .

GG, Whilst I understand that you can fight your own battles and do not need me to chip in with moral support for your comments, i will anyway.........

My only surprise idsthat london irish hasn't flipped his two penneth in too, or has he and I missed it.?

 

[somerset]

I want to see you down on the street for the next anti-globalisation protest. That's about animals too y'know.

Animals protesting about animals....... don't give me that cobblers, vast majority of the anti-globalisation tribe are exactly that, a tribe of anarchists of no fixed abode for the most part, doing their best just to smash and grab as the opportunity arises.

steer clear.