Craig Davies: Pots & Kettles

[timbha]

Just thought i would add my opinion on this
Murray is out of davies class and anyone who claims davies is better or has more potential is deluded but as i said i dont think davies should be the sole bearer of all this blame as i think all the players this season have been been guilty of the same mistakes

i think you are right.

the biggest disappointment this season has been the inconsistency/poor form of our new signings, whether they be on loan or permanent. Davies is not alone and yesterday Bangura and Borrowdale seemed to be slipping into the same pattern of a couple of decent games them a run of shockers. Yesterday Kuipers, Whing, Virgo, Hinsh, and Murray player well - and what do they have in common? (Cox was the exception)

 

[Zebedee]

Sorry, goes against popular NSC wisdom, but THPP thinks that Craig Davies has the makings of a really decent striker. That chance yesterday was seriously f***ing difficult and was never going to go in - no matter who hit it. Like much else in this cursed season, its not going right, but I think the boy is a decent squad member who will come good once the non-trier ponces have jumped ship. And the cognoscenti are NEVER wrong.

I agree with you THPP but let the knockers carry on doing their best to hound another player. They've clearly got nothing better to do and most of them know f**k all about the game.

 

[BensGrandad]

Perhaps he should have played 45 mins in one of the reserve games last week when the first team did not have a fixture. If he scored a la OGH he would perhaps regain some goalscoring confidence.

 

[Napper]

The lacking in confidence arguement is a joke as he came here for money , straight into the side....surely that should of had him brimming with confidence...end result = he was gash.

I know it's early to call this but I think he is crap , will wait to be proved right but hope to be proved wrong

 

[brightonbluenose]

Yeah but would they keep us up:yahoo:

Don't know about you but 8 nurses would certainly keep me up!!!

 

[Billy the Fish]

There's some right shit being spouted on this thread.

1) The linesman WAS a f***ing wanker, so Davies was actually right.

2) Anyone saying he's not putting the effort in should be instantly discounted from discussions for being a wind up merchant. Anyone with one eye and half a brain can see the bloke's trying his hardest.

3) I agree with Silent Bob that he isn't a particularly intelligent footballer from what I've seen. When he's up front he seems to get in positions where he can't go anywhere or make a decent pass to another player BUT he's big, quick and strong and gives 100%, so stick him out wide where his only job is to run at players and get the ball in the box. That will take away the pressure to score and I'm sure he will work out where the goal is eventually and chip in with a few.

Don't get on the bloke's back already FFS

 

[Harold]

No axe to grind with him but...

Bad points: Always looking for an opportunity to tumble. He's not particularly quick, not particularly good 1st touch, easily prompted to lose his rag (by markers and officials), appears to need a heck of a lot of chances to notch (more than we're likely to provide on a plate anyway).

Good points: Never gives up, doesn't hide, a real trier.

Is that presently enough to warrant a start? Not in my books. Seems like a player low on confidence. Be interesting to see how he would look in an Albion side with the pressure off. Right now, he's not giving us a lot IMHO.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Lots of effort, lack of skill, poor decision making.

Doesn't score in training either so i've heard...

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I've not seen the bloke - but I do wonder sometimes what people expect from League One players. If any of these players were any good - it is unlikely they would be playing for us. Big forwards who are fast, can pass, head and shoot, and have an eye for goal would go straight into the England side - let alone the Albion.

Players need time to play their way into the side - particularly strikers. Team mates need to know how to provide the best service, get used to their pace, get used to their knockdowns. And players take different amounts of time to settle into a new area - maybe being away from family etc.

Give the bloke a chance.

 

[Easy 10]

Give the bloke a chance.

He'll only sky it.







(actually I agree though - he looks a decent prospect, I like his attitude).

 

[Acker79]

I woud have bet on Forster or Murray putting that chance away.

Is that the murray who can go for more than a month without scoring (including missing some "sitters") at times?

 

[Mendoza]

Fluffed a one on one on Monday
Blazed over the bar on Tuesday
Missed an open goal on Wednesday
and on Thursday and Friday and Saturday
I was dropped by Sunday

Monday
took my three grand on Tuesday
missed an open goal on Wednesday
and on Thursday & Friday & Saturday
and a month of Sunday's

 

[Acker79]

Good points: Never gives up, doesn't hide, a real trier.

Is that presently enough to warrant a start? Not in my books. Seems like a player low on confidence.

Maybe it is. I mean, we keep hearing how the boo boys have a negative effect on players, how if a player is booed he hides and shirks responsibility (personally, I think that is more to do with the cowardice of the player than the the fans' fault). Given the fans are booing so much, we need players who don't hide, who keep trying.

 

[Dave the OAP]

If we are having a pop at Davies, what about Owusu. For a big man, I have never seen someone fall to the ground so often. The times when all he has to do is hold it up, but no...he hurls himself to the ground...it happened three times in front of us in the F block.

He makes Ronaldo look like he has just won the play fair award.

 

[logan89]

I really like Davies, and when played in his correct position he does exactly what he's supposed to do.

His correct position is Upfront, with his back to goal. He holds up everything that's played to him, chest height or lower. The problem is we don't have a surging midfielder for him to just lay the ball to. He is not gonna be able to turn a player but he looks like he wants to lay the ball back, make the run, and recieve the ball back. A one-two to those people who may prefer to use this terminology.

Problem is we don't play a midfielder that can make those runs, or is he played regularly upfront.

 

[Acker79]

I really like Davies, and when played in his correct position he does exactly what he's supposed to do.

Isn't that what everyone says in defence of anyone? Virgo isn't bad, needs to play in his proper position. El Abd isn't bad just needs to play in his proper position. Robinson needs to play in his proper position. Livermore needs to play in his proper position. And so on...

Yet, people have been giving Slade credit for playing people in their proper positions.

 

[NMH]

Sorry, goes against popular NSC wisdom, but THPP thinks that Craig Davies has the makings of a really decent striker. That chance yesterday was seriously f***ing difficult and was never going to go in - no matter who hit it. Like much else in this cursed season, its not going right, but I think the boy is a decent squad member who will come good once the non-trier ponces have jumped ship. And the cognoscenti are NEVER wrong.

Always-right-NMH agrees with THPP, and so the rest of you ARE indeed talking shite.
Shut it, Davies is doing fine.

 

[logan89]

Isn't that what everyone says in defence of anyone? Virgo isn't bad, needs to play in his proper position. El Abd isn't bad just needs to play in his proper position. Robinson needs to play in his proper position. Livermore needs to play in his proper position. And so on...

Yet, people have been giving Slade credit for playing people in their proper positions.

No because i've gone on to say what he does when played upfront, with his back to goal. You just seem to have 'forgotten' to include that part of the quote. I think that Slade is falling into the same trap as Adams did by playing people out of position, i mean Davies a Striker on the Right, Virgo a Defender in Midfield etc.

May i ask you of your opinion of Davies when played upfront?

 

[Acker79]

May i ask you of your opinion of Davies when played upfront?

I have not seen enough of him to pass judgement, so refuse to do so. I'm not going to jump on his back without good reason. I have elsewhere in this thread pointed out what I see as flaws in some of the arguments against him (such as the claim Murray would have scored, when we've seen murray go through goalless spells lasting long than the couple of weeks that makes up Davies's), and was pointing out that your comment about him being played "out of position" (I feel you may mean it is more the wrong tactics for him) has been said about so many players this year at our club. Just an observation, not so much a counter point to yours.

No because i've gone on to say what he does when played upfront, with his back to goal. You just seem to have 'forgotten' to include that part of the quote.

I didn't forget, I deliberately deleted it so as to make it clear what point I was referring to.

I'm unsure if explaining why it is the wrong position elevates it above other comments, the sentiment is the same "the team should be picked to fit around a player". I'm of the belief a player should be picked to fit the team.

It's one of Martin Samuels' bug bears, one that I share, that in England we foster an system and culture that forces our players to pick one position, one set of tactics, make that their best position, and not expect any more from them. Whereas on the continent players tend to develop with an appreciation for the need to adapt and fill other positions to fit the teams' needs. I believe we should expect of all players, whether they be Gerrard (who wants the England team built around him, just like Rooney does, and Lampard, and Beckham...) or whether they be Sam Cook.

Of course, that's simply an opinion.

 

[mona]

There's nothing like NSC for finding all the negatives on a player.