Could we have a striker?

[balloonboy]

Does DK watch potential loanees, or does he leave it all to MM? Presumably the latter. Which presumably means the fact they were BOTH going to Highbury (if that is indeed where they went) means something's cooking.....or perhaps DK just wanted an innocent chat with his old mate Brady?

 

[London Irish]

I think they both do. Knight spotted Reid, for example.

 

[The Auditor]

I think they both do. Knight spotted Reid, for example.

He went with Dean White to watch stoke Res vs Bradford res to look at Lionel Ritchie (Chris I)

 

[BensGrandad]

At the time of the launch of the Alive & Kicking Appeal I wrote to MP suggesting that the club ask supporters to give the club a loan of £200 interest free by way of paying a deposit for season tickets at Falmer or wherever the new ground was.

I received an E Mail back from him stating that the club had considered this and it presented problems with VAT as we had to pay the VAT. After checking with the VAT Office it turned out exactly as I thought, we would pay the VAT on the £200 but we would only have to pay VAT on the balance whenever that was paid. i.e the club had £170 (£200 less VAT) interest free loan from each person. In order to increase the money I then suggested that both existing and prospecetive new season ticket holders pay £200 + VAT i.e £235 therefore if 6,000 people took up this offer the club would raise £1.2m.

The conditions of this loan, I suggested were, the club gauranteed a season ticket to each person at the new ground when it was built. The supporters gave the money on the understanding that if planning permission for ANY NEW ground was refused they lost their money as indeed they did if they didnt take up the season ticket for whatever reason.

It was then in the Daily Telegraph last Friday that Arsenal had done exactly the same and were hoping to raise £30m.

If this is good enough for Arsenal why not for us?

I wrote to MP asking and his reply was he thought that it was morally and possibly legally wrong to do this without planning permission having been granted.

It is my view that there is nothing wrong providing all people taking part are aware of the risks that they take.

This would have kept us afloat and provided for additions to the squad.

I do not know, as nobody does, what the take up of tickets would have been but in the event of 10,000 it would have produced the £2m. Any views

 

[The Auditor]

I think it would have raised more money but its loans rather than gifts like the current A & L Appeal and the club probably dont want that route

 

[Beach Hut]

Interesting concept - I would have happily paid £235 to guarantee a season at the Falmer (if built) in the knowledge I was also easing a cash flow problem at the same time and ensuring investment in players. Also I would have accepted the fact it was not returnable but I have blinding faith in Falmer.

There you go, we can agree on some things

 

[The Auditor]

Interesting concept - I would have happily paid £235 to guarantee a season at the Falmer (if built) in the knowledge I was also easing a cash flow problem at the same time and ensuring investment in players. Also I would have accepted the fact it was not returnable but I have blinding faith in Falmer.

There you go, we can agree on some things

Thats interesting - do you think tht would have done better than the current appeal - I do - as whilst it has its risks it is giving value for money as not everyone can give £100/£250 donation

 

[BensGrandad]

Interesting concept - I would have happily paid £235 to guarantee a season at the Falmer (if built) in the knowledge I was also easing a cash flow problem at the same time and ensuring investment in players. Also I would have accepted the fact it was not returnable but I have blinding faith in Falmer.

There you go, we can agree on some things

I am pleased about that. I would have definietly paid it but I wonder how many others. If it was in thousands i.e 4000 upwards I believe it would have been worthwhile but the actual numbers t5hat would have been interestyed in an unkn own quantity.

Unfortunately MP doesn't agree with the idea.

 

[Beach Hut]

Thats interesting - do you think tht would have done better than the current appeal - I do - as whilst it has its risks it is giving value for money as not everyone can give £100/£250 donation

Much better as the current appeal has, as yet, not swayed me to contribute.

 

[London Irish]

Unfortunately MP doesn't agree with the idea.

Good. Because if he had, I would have led the calls for Perry to be fired - for real, this time.

The idea that we can give away Falmer season tickets for £235 when we will still need all the revenue we can to fund not only the stadium debt but to fund a playing squad fit to play in the new stadium would be utterly financially reckless.

And the idea that the club would be taking money off people for season tickets and giving them nothing in return if something went wrong with the planning application would create a scandal.

The money that supporters are currently giving to the Alive and Kicking fund will eventually be converted into shares in a supporters trust, the plans of which are already being discussed by the Supporters Club and others. There is no reason not to be giving to the appeal currently if you can afford it - and 1,400 people and growing agree with me on that. This will create a future voice for the fans in the club.

 

[BensGrandad]

This would have been a non refundable deposit/loan against a season ticket, not selling one for that price,so the risk is completly on the supporter unless the club have an idea that we may not get Falmer but we wont go down that road.

 

[London Irish]

This would have been a non refundable deposit/loan against a season ticket so the risk is completly on the supporter unless the club have an idea that we may not get Falmer but we wont go down that road.

All it would take would be a few supporters to complain that they understood it meant a season ticket when they gave the money over as they believed Falmer was definite, and you would have a public relations disaster on your hands.

Anyway, back in the real world, the current appeal has certainly raised enough money now to cover the costs of the extended public inquiry to get Falmer. Well done everyone.

 

[Ned Zelic]

It goes without saying the striker situation is critical and the sooner we get one on loan or wherever the better.

However due to our probably perceived better start than perhaps anticipated I can see the club holding off as long as possible.

Remember last time round when SC took over we were critical yet this time we aren't in the bottom three (yet).

the main difference is what we currently have squad-wise is all that Mark McGhee will have till the end of the season, with possible exception of a loan striker. Whereas SC, while starting off at critical, was able to add an experienced CB and midfielder (Blackwell+Rodger) for remainder of season, as well as several useful loans (Sidwell, Rougier, Ingimarsson, +Goalkeeping cover), significantly strengthening the squad. Thus there was a great upturn in results for the last 30 games of that season.

 

[fatboy]

At the time of the launch of the Alive & Kicking Appeal I wrote to MP suggesting that the club ask supporters to give the club a loan of £200 interest free by way of paying a deposit for season tickets at Falmer or wherever the new ground was.

I received an E Mail back from him stating that the club had considered this and it presented problems with VAT as we had to pay the VAT. After checking with the VAT Office it turned out exactly as I thought, we would pay the VAT on the £200 but we would only have to pay VAT on the balance whenever that was paid. i.e the club had £170 (£200 less VAT) interest free loan from each person. In order to increase the money I then suggested that both existing and prospecetive new season ticket holders pay £200 + VAT i.e £235 therefore if 6,000 people took up this offer the club would raise £1.2m.

The conditions of this loan, I suggested were, the club gauranteed a season ticket to each person at the new ground when it was built. The supporters gave the money on the understanding that if planning permission for ANY NEW ground was refused they lost their money as indeed they did if they didnt take up the season ticket for whatever reason.

It was then in the Daily Telegraph last Friday that Arsenal had done exactly the same and were hoping to raise £30m.

If this is good enough for Arsenal why not for us?

I wrote to MP asking and his reply was he thought that it was morally and possibly legally wrong to do this without planning permission having been granted.

It is my view that there is nothing wrong providing all people taking part are aware of the risks that they take.

This would have kept us afloat and provided for additions to the squad.

I do not know, as nobody does, what the take up of tickets would have been but in the event of 10,000 it would have produced the £2m. Any views

Good idea. We will get Falmer and I would have done this.

 

[BensGrandad]

I have said the full implicatuions of the risk involved would have to be spelt out.

The present appeal is never going to raise anything like that amount of money because people are paying the money and getting nothing in return, perhaps the possible promise of some shares.

Arsenal are asking for 15% from existing season ticket holders and. I believe, 50% of the current price to prospective buyers.

As with us, they know that the new stadium will hold more people which means more season ticket holders. They are expecting to raise £30m by this scheme.

The only problem that we have is that we have not yet got planning permission but I am prepared to take a chance that we will get it bacause I have faith in MPs ability as an expert in this field.

To answer your last comment the current appeal may have raised sufficient money to pay out the legal fees etc for the next inquiry but it most certainly hasn't raised sufficient money for us to get our most urgent need at the moment i.e during November not January or any other month but now.

A STRIKER ON LOAN.

 

[London Irish]

To answer your last comment the current appeal may have raised sufficient money to pay out the legal fees etc for the next inquiry but it most certainly hasn't raised sufficient money for us to get our most urgent need at the moment i.e during November not January or any other month but now.

A STRIKER ON LOAN.

That's right. And we can't cripple the revenue streams of the club in the first year of Falmer by giving away season tickets at below their true value. You don't run football clubs that way, unless you're Peter Ridsdale.

The option of improving the cash flow of the club by buying future season tickets already exists. It's called a 3-year ST. I got one a few months ago, and I'm sure if you ask Martin Perry nicely, he'll sell you one too.

 

[BensGrandad]

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The option of improving the cash flow of the club by buying future season tickets already exists. It's called a 3-year ST. I got one a few months ago, and I'm sure if you ask Martin Perry nicely, he'll sell you one too.

So would I as we shall still be at Withdean however the inquiry goes.

We would be getting the money now that we need in 3 years time so the financial situation will be even worse then than it is now because we will not have all of the revenue from season ticket sales having already had and spent some of it.

 

[London Irish]

The difference is that the discounts contained within the current 3-year package are realistic, not the absurd ones you are proposing for the first year of Falmer which would financially cripple the club.

No chance you could send some of your revenue-raising ideas to Forest, Gillingham and Rotherham then?

 

[BensGrandad]

LI

You are a condescending b.....d. I have put forward an idea which whether it be good bad or indifferent and all you have to offer is lame excuse of what the lost revenue would do in some years time.

Falmer, we have been told is going to be run by an entirly new company that cannot be formed to shelve any debts of the planning process at the moment because we do not have planning permission but as soon as we do the company will be formed.

They will then be able to obtain all the various grants which are going to form the vast majority of the money needed to build Falmer. They will also have collaterol security of a stadium or at least a share in the stadium, unless Brighton & Hove Council buy it outright. This will enable them to borrow against that security until such time as they are bringing in sufficent revenue to make a profit.

It has been estimated by many on here that the attendance figures if still in this division will be in the region of 17 - 18k.

I do not profess to be a financial whizz kid but if the scheme is good enough to raise £30m for Arsenal why should it not be good enough to raise £2m for BHA.

 

[smudge]

LI

You are a condescending b.....d. I have put forward an idea which whether it be good bad or indifferent and all you have to offer is lame excuse of what the lost revenue would do in some years time.

Falmer, we have been told is going to be run by an entirly new company that cannot be formed to shelve any debts of the planning process at the moment because we do not have planning permission but as soon as we do the company will be formed.

They will then be able to obtain all the various grants which are going to form the vast majority of the money needed to build Falmer. They will also have collaterol security of a stadium or at least a share in the stadium, unless Brighton & Hove Council buy it outright. This will enable them to borrow against that security until such time as they are bringing in sufficent revenue to make a profit.

It has been estimated by many on here that the attendance figures if still in this division will be in the region of 17 - 18k.

I do not profess to be a financial whizz kid but if the scheme is good enough to raise £30m for Arsenal why should it not be good enough to raise £2m for BHA.