Could be interesting... Dispatches C4 tomoorrow - Albion to be heavily featured

[worthingseagull123]

Just watched it. i Thought the most senior police officer responsible came across badly

TBF, he wasnt given a fair chance to speak as the 'journalist' kept interupting him and would not let him speak.

 

[Dan Aitch]

Who's the slapper in the white followed by show us your t##s followed by does she take it up the a##e------sung by our lot on Saturday to a random woman in the Millwall end.
I must admit I smiled BAD FAN
I sung 1-0 to the Nancy Boys as loud as I could as well
I'm confused

Begs the question of what we should do when we hear it from our own. Report it? Ignore it? Join in? Talk about it on NSC afterwards?

The impact outlined in another thread...

Truly disgusting behaviour too. Certainly not banter. Took my ten year old daughter to Millwall and was shocked to hear " get your tits out for the lads" by the Brighton fans. Not heard since Koo Stark's vist to the Goldstone.

Prompted a discussion with my daughter - really don't want to lose her as a fan but she was shocked!

...makes you wonder whether we all have the moral courage to confront this issue ourselves. Whatever the abuse that we hear, are we ready for these impacts and are we prepared to say enough is enough?

While a ten year old girl being upset by chanting isn't a surprise, is it acceptable? Is it the image we want to project? Is it behaviour we want to be associated with? Or is it all 'banter' and 'just a laugh'; the removal of which will ruin going to games for us?

I know my opinion. You're not going to like it.

My 'holier than thou' persona is getting a real workout.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Just watched it. i Thought the most senior police officer responsible came across badly

I have just watched it and thought exactly the same, he didn't want to know at one point.

 

[Hometownglory]

I think it's laughable that people can class homophobic chanting as 'banter'.

 

[SIMMO SAYS]

Begs the question of what we should do when we hear it from our own. Report it? Ignore it? Join in? Talk about it on NSC afterwards?

The impact outlined in another thread...



...makes you wonder whether we all have the moral courage to confront this issue ourselves. Whatever the abuse that we hear, are we ready for these impacts and are we prepared to say enough is enough?

While a ten year old girl being upset by chanting isn't a surprise, is it acceptable? Is it the image we want to project? Is it behaviour we want to be associated with? Or is it all 'banter' and 'just a laugh'; the removal of which will ruin going to games for us?

I know my opinion. You're not going to like it.

My 'holier than thou' persona is getting a real workout.

No, to be honest I didn't like it---although the woman seemed to think it funny and gave IT back.
Perhaps ten years old is far too young to make a visit to Millwall.
My youngest daughter is fourteen and I wouldn't take her to sit with our lot in the East Upper----far too sweary

 

[Beach Seagull]

I think it's laughable that people can class homophobic chanting as 'banter'.

I think it is 'banter' and its only over the last 2 seasons its been elevated to 'homophobia.' How can 'does you're boyfriend know you're here' and 'we can see you holding hands' be seen as anything but banter?

I guess the fact its now seen as homophobia is symptomatic of the sanitised society we now live in.

 

[Creaky]

I think it is 'banter' and its only over the last 2 seasons its been elevated to 'homophobia.' How can 'does you're boyfriend know you're here' and 'we can see you holding hands' be seen as anything but banter?

I guess the fact its now seen as homophobia is symptomatic of the sanitised society we now live in.

As I said earlier, those chants create a perception of anti-homosexuality and this perception affects the manner in which those homosexuals who do go to matches behave and are likely to dissuade many from attending at all.

If such chants are just 'banter' and don't reflect any anti-homosexual feelings held by those who sing them then the question is why sing them at all, especially when it reflects badly on the club the singers purport to support.

 

[Beach Seagull]

As I said earlier, those chants create a perception of anti-homosexuality and this perception affects the manner in which those homosexuals who do go to matches behave and are likely to dissuade many from attending at all.

If such chants are just 'banter' and don't reflect any anti-homosexual feelings held by those who sing them then the question is why sing them at all, especially when it reflects badly on the club the singers purport to support.

Why sing them? Just part of the banter that goes on between football fans. I'm sure 99% of fans who sing them have nothing against gay people the same way brighton fans who sing 'does she take it up the a*&e' couldn't really care less if she does or not the same way that most brighton fans who sing 'we pay you're benefits' probably dont think the majority of opposition fans are claiming benefits.

 

[Creaky]

Why sing them? Just part of the banter that goes on between football fans. I'm sure 99% of fans who sing them have nothing against gay people the same way brighton fans who sing 'does she take it up the a*&e' couldn't really care less if she does or not the same way that most brighton fans who sing 'we pay you're benefits' probably dont think the majority of opposition fans are claiming benefits.

I'm not saying you're wrong with what you are saying but it still reinforces the perception that football crowds are anti-homosexual.

You haven't answered the question as to why sing such chants when doing so reflects poorly on the club you support.

 

[Screaming J]

I couldn't really blame lone police officers for not taking on hordes of Millwall and W Ham in those circs. But perhaps some people need to stop pretending this problem has gone away. And to be trivial for a minute - what a programme of dodgy haircuts. That FA compliance officer - complete tonsorial nightmare. And the chief police officer - wig alert ??

 

[Beach Seagull]

I'm not saying you're wrong with what you are saying but it still reinforces the perception that football crowds are anti-homosexual.

You haven't answered the question as to why sing such chants when doing so reflects poorly on the club you support.

I dont think singing 'we can see you holding hands' reinforces the perception that football crowds are anti gay, as i really dont consider it to be anti gay singing that. So therefore i dont think it reflects badly on clubs when it fans sing it.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

How does one expect a lone or gaggle of minimum wage stewards to combat hundreds of Chelsea fans making gassing noises at a Spurs game.

Stop the match and wait until they behave. Is that the answer?

"Why can't we all get along?!"

Yeah, yeah. It's a working class game and gives men a chance to let off some steam once a week...

 

[Barrel of Fun]

I dont think singing 'we can see you holding hands' reinforces the perception that football crowds are anti gay, as i really dont consider it to be anti gay singing that. So therefore i dont think it reflects badly on clubs when it fans sing it.

You might not, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels that way.

 

[Beach Seagull]

You might not, but that doesn't mean everyone else feels that way.

I agree with you on that and i acknowledge that everyone has the right to express on opinion.

 

[Creaky]

I dont think singing 'we can see you holding hands' reinforces the perception that football crowds are anti gay, as i really dont consider it to be anti gay singing that. So therefore i dont think it reflects badly on clubs when it fans sing it.

You don't think it might inhibit a gay couple leaving the match from holding hands

 

[Beach Seagull]

You don't think it might inhibit a gay couple leaving the match from holding hands

Who knows? I cant answer for them. Perhaps some gay couples could come on here and say whether they would be inhibited. Incidently I've been to football, cricket, rugby and horse racing in the last year and I've not once seen a gay couple holding hands at any of these events. The rugby was at twickenham in december with 80 thousand there, so if the statistics are correct a fair few in the crowd wouldve been gay, given the fact rugby fans are seen as far better behaved than us unruly football fans you'd have thought the gay people amongst the crowd wouldve had no issues holding hands before during and after the event, but i didn't see any hand holding by same sex couples. Likewise the horse racing at Sandown and Goodwood and the cricket at Hove.

 

[Creaky]

Who knows? I cant answer for them. Perhaps some gay couples could come on here and say whether they would be inhibited. Incidently I've been to football, cricket, rugby and horse racing in the last year and I've not once seen a gay couple holding hands at any of these events. The rugby was at twickenham in december with 80 thousand there, so if the statistics are correct a fair few in the crowd wouldve been gay, given the fact rugby fans are seen as far better behaved than us unruly football fans you'd have thought the gay people amongst the crowd wouldve had no issues holding hands before during and after the event, but i didn't see any hand holding by same sex couples. Likewise the horse racing at Sandown and Goodwood and the cricket at Hove.

So maybe there is a general perception that sports fans would react with hostility to the holding of hands.

It's not that unusual to see same sex couples leaving cinemas or just walking down the street hand in hand. Plenty of examples of male/female couples doing so when leaving the stadium - I can only imagine that same sex couples don't feel comfortable enough to do so when at or leaving sporting events and chants such as those mentioned earlier can't really be a positive influence on that comfort level.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

How does one expect a lone or gaggle of minimum wage stewards to combat hundreds of Chelsea fans making gassing noises at a Spurs game.

Stop the match and wait until they behave. Is that the answer?

"Why can't we all get along?!"

Yeah, yeah. It's a working class game and gives men a chance to let off some steam once a week...

I totally concur with your points BoF, but what's stopping Spurs from banning ALL Chelsea supporters (and WHU) from attending games at WHL for a couple of seasons - & see if their hateful element learn any lessons? Admittedly it ain't gonna stop a few hardened morons from spouting their filth, but it's got to be better than just leaving it to a bunch of ill-equipped stewards & seemingly disinterested Police Officers to (not) sort.

 

[Dan Aitch]

Incidently I've been to football, cricket, rugby and horse racing in the last year and I've not once seen a gay couple holding hands at any of these events.

There's your proof. People can be so intimidated as to not be comfortable enough to be themselves. We should all be ashamed.

 

[Twinkle Toes]

Who knows? I cant answer for them. Perhaps some gay couples could come on here and say whether they would be inhibited. Incidently I've been to football, cricket, rugby and horse racing in the last year and I've not once seen a gay couple holding hands at any of these events. The rugby was at twickenham in december with 80 thousand there, so if the statistics are correct a fair few in the crowd wouldve been gay, given the fact rugby fans are seen as far better behaved than us unruly football fans you'd have thought the gay people amongst the crowd wouldve had no issues holding hands before during and after the event, but i didn't see any hand holding by same sex couples. Likewise the horse racing at Sandown and Goodwood and the cricket at Hove.

Could it be that there's a high likelihood that any gay couples would be be subjected to abuse if they held hands; or is it perhaps they just go off one other at sporting events?