[Politics] Corbynite councillor sends daughter to Roedean

[Neville's Breakfast]

How do you know that's his personal view? And can you quote us one of these lecturing speeches he's made on private schools - like Roedean, not like Acadmy chains?

I've been a member of Sussex County Cricket Club but it didn't mean I agreed with the batting order in every game. There are members and season ticket holders of the Albion on here who cannot even agree if flasks should be allowed in to the ground.. I was a member at a local nightclub back in the day but I didn't get to pick the DJs or even agree with half the stuff they did.

I’m not going to read his speeches but I reckon someone in his position will have mentioned elitism and privilege at some point and there isn’t much that is more elite or privileged than an expensive public school education. As to the comparison with academies I think we can agree that there is no hypocrisy there.

 

[Bakero]

Read posts with interest. A lot of contrary and strongly held views.

Very surprised to see the justification of a Labour councillor paying for his child's education; yes it is his money but private education is firmly on his party's hit list of don't likes. Is he going to visit folk's houses when on the stump at the election and argue that PE should be abolished, or at least the charity exemption removed? The latter is certain to be in Manifesto, the former possible. How can he truly promote his party's policies with a clear conflict of interest?

I see nowhere the question whether the daughter herself is content with this arrangement. It is his money, but surely her happiness is more important. What does she think?

And sad to see so many resigned to 'if I had the money I would do the same'. Why? You pay your taxes, you have a right to your child's free education. What does PE actually buy? I reckon three things: smaller class sizes with more motivated teachers; better facilities; and (above all) positive peer pressure.

Unpick those : smaller class sizes are (as some posters point out) actually a real problem for many PE students at uni; better teachers I get but there are ways round this: additional tuition at a fraction of the cost of the whole package of PE being the most obvious. Better facilities similarly can be overcome by paying for specific needs: sport, drama, music, skiing holidays, again targeted and at a substantially lower cost.

Positive peer pressure is actually the biggest of the three. The problem is that this defines students into a conclave of like folk whose parents are, by definition, well off, or just happen to be fortunate enough to win a scholarship (minority). They simply don't have the life experience of encountering less advantaged students. Our youngest son is an A&E doctor in North London; his job is not easy with the ever present problem of gang warfare and its consequences, but he says that very few PE Medics even choose A&E. It becomes self selective, and means many educated privately have a blinkered view and a sheltered life (not all, just many and I accept this has been mitigated recently; mitigated but not fundamentally changed).

So support the state system. Use some intitiative and funds where it fails but don't cop out. Save yourself a lot of dough and use it wisely. Above all, ask what your children want.

What makes you say they have better teachers?

 

[Guinness Boy]

I reckon

The inference was there and you know it.

Rage against the machine that’s it’s not ok for everyone else but it’s fine when it’s for them.

If I ever have the time of inclination to trawl political threads on NSC looking for evidence I hope someone smothers me

im suggesting

i believe (the last time i looked)

on the face of it

 

[Chicken Run]

I find it odd that everyone seems to be making the assumption that it’s his decision alone as to what school his daughter attends.
Maybe it was his wife’s decision, or maybe they gave their daughter a choice. Maybe her best friends go there. Maybe the style of teaching there and the learning environment is just the best fit for her.
If you’re picking schools based on your political philosophy rather than the best interests of your children, you’re just a s#*t parent.

Maybe the child/children who go to state school are from his first marriage and the one who is at Hogwarts is his child with current wife......

 

[LamieRobertson]

The Shadow Home Secretary agrees with you ....

"It's absolutely true that it's inconsistent, to put it mildly, for someone who believes in a fairer and more egalitarian society to send their child to a private, fee-paying school.

"I've always believed that private schools prop up the class structure of society.

"It's inconsistent, it's indefensible and that's why I haven't sought to defend it." - Dianne Abbott

Oops

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

It’s a message board. It’s for people to give their opinions. ‘I reckon’ even you have occasionally ventured an opinion on here.

 

[Hampster Gull]

I suppose it isn't hypocritical to work and fight for all schools to be as good as the best fee-paying ones (although I'd argue that paying for education guarantees nothing except smaller class sizes) but until your work is done, send your own children to the best school you can get them to. But we don't know whether or not that is what has happened here.

They are charlatans. Btw one point in your post. We all pay for school education not just those who go private. Taxation covers it. Some chose to pay further for a choice in the education rather than be feed whatever is served up. I’m all for choice. The equality bit at the other end that some make, %age of top jobs skewed etc, is a fair one but that shouldn’t detract from an individuals right to choose.

 

[Guinness Boy]

It’s a message board. It’s for people to give their opinions. ‘I reckon’ even you have occasionally ventured an opinion on here.

But opiinions at least have to be a tiny bit educated. Not one person can provide a quote from the person in question where he personally says he would close private schools. And the quote The Mail uses is about something different entirely. It's a whole thread full of people guessing what someone else should think based on their own political prejudices.

 

[Diablo]

I don`t see a problem that anyone sends his children to private school. Doesn`t every one want the best for their own children !!

 

[Nitram]

So to sum up those left leaning think the person in question as a fellow leftie has the right to do what he wants and is in no way going against the principles of his party and it’s all OK because he has not said anything nasty about top level public education. Although as a lefty it’s OK to trash academies.No way is the poor sod a hypocrite even though he is a public figure in education who for privacy thinks it’s all OK not to comment (apart from the usual Daily Mail assassination piece)
If the person in question is not a hypocrite those defending him certainly are. Laughable.

 

[warmleyseagull]

What makes you say they have better teachers?

That is the general impression but of course there are some poor teachers in private education and some great ones in state education. I accept that it is an assertion that cannot be formally substantiated.

 

[Bakero]

That is the general impression but of course there are some poor teachers in private education and some great ones in state education. I accept that it is an assertion that cannot be formally substantiated.

I'm not sure where that impression comes from. Zero teaching qualifications are needed to teach in a private school.

 

[Diablo]

So to sum up those left leaning think the person in question as a fellow leftie has the right to do what he wants and is in no way going against the principles of his party and it’s all OK because he has not said anything nasty about top level public education. Although as a lefty it’s OK to trash academies.No way is the poor sod a hypocrite even though he is a public figure in education who for privacy thinks it’s all OK not to comment (apart from the usual Daily Mail assassination piece)
If the person in question is not a hypocrite those defending him certainly are. Laughable.

surely he doesn`t like the idea of private education but as things are he realises that the private sector does supply the best educational chance for his children. sensible surely !

I don`t like the idea of private health insurance believing the NHS brilliant but still have private health policy which I believe sensible !

you may consider it laughable ... I consider it sensible !

 

[The Birdman]

She a Plant a spy on the toffs.

 

[Chicken Run]

Great, An entire thread full of left leaning people who think they know best and when one of there own get’s found out swarm like hornets to defend the indefensible

Totally agree [emoji106][emoji849]

 

[Lower West Stander]

Can you please point out the part where he has said he 'wants rid of private money in education'?

Do people REALLY think that the conversion of state schools factory-farm academies, by private profit-making companies, and the centuries-old private school system are in ANY way comparable?

You’re taking the piss right?

A fundamental policy of the Labour Party is that free education should be provided for all and private schools are an elitist product which goes against their fundamental principles.

The differentiation you a trying to make is laughable.


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[Lower West Stander]

Of course it's not hypocritical. Roedean is a private insitution and was set up as a private institution. What Childs is against is the forced privatisation of public assets. They're two completely different concepts.

I agree with Simster, this thread does show exactly why charlatans like Johnson and Farage are doing well. Too many people are ignorant of facts or are able to follow a coherent argument. I've argued before that philosophy (and logic in particular) should be taught in schools, there'd be a lot less loose thinking

Some of the garbage on this thread is unreal.

Somehow you’ve managed to turn the hypocrisy of a Labour councillor into a criticism of Johnson and Farage. I’m no fan of either but come on.....

Try applying “philosophy and logic” to a Corbynista Labour councillor sending his daughter to one of the most exclusive private schools in the country.


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[Herr Tubthumper]

I don`t see a problem that anyone sends his children to private school. Doesn`t every one want the best for their own children !!

I don’t either, in principle. I do have an issue with the fact it’s not a realistic choice for the vast majority of people though. Means testing would help; it works well here.

 

[Wardy's twin]

But opiinions at least have to be a tiny bit educated. Not one person can provide a quote from the person in question where he personally says he would close private schools. And the quote The Mail uses is about something different entirely. It's a whole thread full of people guessing what someone else should think based on their own political prejudices.

The guy does NOT need to quote he is relatively high ranking in the labour party which advocates comprehensive schools as being the best and most fair for children. Actions speak a dam site more than a politicians words.

 

[Wardy's twin]

surely he doesn`t like the idea of private education but as things are he realises that the private sector does supply the best educational chance for his children. sensible surely !

I don`t like the idea of private health insurance believing the NHS brilliant but still have private health policy which I believe sensible !

you may consider it laughable ... I consider it sensible !

whats your ranking in the Labour party hierarchy?