[Politics] Corbynite councillor sends daughter to Roedean

[LamieRobertson]

As soon as 'Champagne Socialist' is mentioned, you know that person has absolutely no idea what they're on about. Today, it's you. It's just about the most meaningless phrase there is, devoid of an merit and intelligent forethought, and certainly not one you can back up.

Try thinking for yourself, rather than using your vast ocean of prejudices to try (and miserably fail) to score a cheap point.



I can see it's becoming hard work for you explaining this simple concept over and over and over and over again, and yet finding easily-triggered, gullible non-thinkers failing to grasp it first, second or multiple times. To be fair, he's not the only one. I guess you could try it in Gammon-English - see if that works any better...?

You are coming across a tad pompous

 

[beorhthelm]

As soon as 'Champagne Socialist' is mentioned, you know that person has absolutely no idea what they're on about. Today, it's you. It's just about the most meaningless phrase there is, devoid of an merit and intelligent forethought, and certainly not one you can back up.

Try thinking for yourself, rather than using your vast ocean of prejudices to try (and miserably fail) to score a cheap point.

everyone knows its about Prosecco theses days.

 

[Invicta]

Why wouldn't a well off Labour councillor send his kids to private school ? You do your best for them don't you. Can't blame him for using his own money to better his kids lives.

 

[wellquickwoody]

It's just about the most meaningless phrase there is,

I guess you could try it in Gammon-English

You were saying?

Pot, kettle etc etc........

 

[razer]

May as well say that anyone who votes labour is a hypocrite if they watch privatised ITV, or travel using anything other than public transport.

To quote a well known saying by Corbyn and chums, "for the many not the few" (unless the many can afford it of course). Choosing the few is the correct choice but majorly hypocritical.

 

[Nottseagull]

Strange thread. I'm not exactly sure what the point of it is.

It must be above your head then.

 

[Chicken Run]

You are coming across a tad pompous

I swear when he was born he criticised the mid wife for using forceps suggesting much better ways of pulling a stubborn baby out.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Read posts with interest. A lot of contrary and strongly held views.

Very surprised to see the justification of a Labour councillor paying for his child's education; yes it is his money but private education is firmly on his party's hit list of don't likes. Is he going to visit folk's houses when on the stump at the election and argue that PE should be abolished, or at least the charity exemption removed? The latter is certain to be in Manifesto, the former possible. How can he truly promote his party's policies with a clear conflict of interest?

I see nowhere the question whether the daughter herself is content with this arrangement. It is his money, but surely her happiness is more important. What does she think?

And sad to see so many resigned to 'if I had the money I would do the same'. Why? You pay your taxes, you have a right to your child's free education. What does PE actually buy? I reckon three things: smaller class sizes with more motivated teachers; better facilities; and (above all) positive peer pressure.

Unpick those : smaller class sizes are (as some posters point out) actually a real problem for many PE students at uni; better teachers I get but there are ways round this: additional tuition at a fraction of the cost of the whole package of PE being the most obvious. Better facilities similarly can be overcome by paying for specific needs: sport, drama, music, skiing holidays, again targeted and at a substantially lower cost.

Positive peer pressure is actually the biggest of the three. The problem is that this defines students into a conclave of like folk whose parents are, by definition, well off, or just happen to be fortunate enough to win a scholarship (minority). They simply don't have the life experience of encountering less advantaged students. Our youngest son is an A&E doctor in North London; his job is not easy with the ever present problem of gang warfare and its consequences, but he says that very few PE Medics even choose A&E. It becomes self selective, and means many educated privately have a blinkered view and a sheltered life (not all, just many and I accept this has been mitigated recently; mitigated but not fundamentally changed).

So support the state system. Use some intitiative and funds where it fails but don't cop out. Save yourself a lot of dough and use it wisely. Above all, ask what your children want.

Did you go to private school, or your kids?

 

[Chicken Run]

Why wouldn't a well off Labour councillor send his kids to private school ? You do your best for them don't you. Can't blame him for using his own money to better his kids lives.

 

[Guinness Boy]

You’re right. So why bring it up ? The hypocrisy of which he is guilty is being Labour/Momentum ie believing in a comprehensive, inclusive education system for all (ie not giving a few people an advantage) and then sending his daughter to Roedean. It’s simple really; don’t lecture the rest of us on elitism and privilege while using one’s ‘buy to let portfolio’ to buy privilege for his own family.

How do you know that's his personal view? And can you quote us one of these lecturing speeches he's made on private schools - like Roedean, not like Acadmy chains?

I've been a member of Sussex County Cricket Club but it didn't mean I agreed with the batting order in every game. There are members and season ticket holders of the Albion on here who cannot even agree if flasks should be allowed in to the ground.. I was a member at a local nightclub back in the day but I didn't get to pick the DJs or even agree with half the stuff they did.

 

[melias shoes]

How do you know that's his personal view? And can you quote us one of these lecturing speeches he's made on private schools - like Roedean, not like Acadmy chains?

I've been a member of Sussex County Cricket Club but it didn't mean I agreed with the batting order in every game. There are members and season ticket holders of the Albion on here who cannot even agree if flasks should be allowed in to the ground.. I was a member at a local nightclub back in the day but I didn't get to pick the DJs or even agree with half the stuff they did.

Keep digging that hole.

 

[melias shoes]

Daily Mail . . . Fascist racist scum rag.

There you have it the default setting of the left. Brand it fascist or racist to end the argument. Grow up.

 

[ManOfSussex]

There you have it the default setting of the left. Brand it fascist or racist to end the argument. Grow up.

A 'Fascist racist scum rag'. What would you call The Daily Mail?

 

[mikeyjh]

Thought you might say that. Hypocrisy of the highest order and as others point out how does a union official afford it? Another champagne socialist. He slams a fetish for privatisation whilst sending his daughter to the most expensive girl school in the country. Nope no hypocrisy there! Privatisation fetish won't provide our children with good education. Except his daughter, eh? No hypocrisy? You spin it how you like. Enjoy your champagne.

Took a few pages but you always know some simpleton will come charging toward the conversation with the 'Champagne Socialist' compliment. Just to keep you informed, it is okay to fight for fairness, equality, to support the worse off in society AND be fortunate enough to have a good income, it's not a contradiction.

How he affords it, well that's none of your business.

 

[Chicken Run]

Is it true this reptile has a property portfolio?

 

[melias shoes]

It must be above your head then.

He's choosing to ignore it.

 

[melias shoes]

A 'Fascist racist scum rag'. What would you call The Daily Mail?

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I was referring to the left . Brand everything racist,fascist etc. To stifle debate. Personally I don't read the mail.

 

[wellquickwoody]

A 'Fascist racist scum rag'. What would you call The Daily Mail?

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I would call it by it’s name, The Daily Mail, a newspaper whose default setting is right of centre, although it has probably changed somewhat during the last hundred years.

You meanwhile use terms like facist, racist, Nazi to describe both the newspaper, probably its readers, and maybe any random Tory voter. You do this because you are an intolerant knob.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I would call it by it’s name, The Daily Mail, a newspaper whose default setting is right of centre, although it has probably changed somewhat during the last hundred years.

You meanwhile use terms like facist, racist, Nazi to describe both the newspaper, probably its readers, and maybe any random Tory voter. You do this because you are an intolerant knob.

Where have I specifically called The Daily Mail 'fascist' racist' 'Nazi' to describe both the newspaper and probably it's readers and maybe any random Tory voters?

Or are you just making erroneous assumptions from Melbourne because you're just a knob, intolerant, or otherwise?

 

[wellquickwoody]

The inference was there and you know it.