Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms
King of Sussex
So he opposes the way that state schools are being run and has chosen not to send his child to a state school, have I got that right?
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[Politics] Corbynite councillor sends daughter to Roedean
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mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Man who has done well for himself does the best he can for his child.
Shocking. Thank you for highlighting this.
Shocking. Thank you for highlighting this.
Sorry. I don't understand your point at all.
a. One of his children does attend a state school in the town.
b. His objection to the handover of state owned education is completely valid. I have private health insurance through my work - does that make ME a 'hypocrite' if I think it is a bad idea to hand over the NHS to profit making private companies?
People REALLY seem to be struggling with basic comprehension here. The state of education really is a concern...
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
- 7,356
They should have gone to a private school.
It is about how the story has been spun. It is reliant on an assumption of the bloke's stances that have never been declared, unjustified inference from that, false logic and preposterous conclusions
May as well say that anyone who votes labour is a hypocrite if they watch privatised ITV, or travel using anything other than public transport.
Edit, it would be wrong to infer from my comments that I think this bloke is saintly, correct in all his views, prime minister material, and that the UK should become communist right now, and that anyone who does not contribute to the collective food basket by growing and donating their own vegetables should be shot. Don't want anyone getting funny ideas.
Billy the Fish
Technocrat
Which is fine by me, good on him.
I reckon a high percentage of posters in this thread have at some point slagged off a Tory MP for being privileged and educated at Eton.
People stick to their principals when it suits them
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
Confused but academies are subject to ofsted. both my kids went to an academy and ofsted were over them like a rash.
When a school becomes an academy it is treated as a new school thus is inspected within the first three years. There appear to be various get out of jail free a clauses but they are subject.
ofsted may also inspect without warning if they have information that highlights the requirement. Now that’s my understanding but I may have got it wrong. I’m out for a beer with a teacher tonight so I’ll check.
As for the councillor. He can do what he likes regards the education of his children. If he feels that sending her to Roedean is important for her education then all power to him.
However if you are socialist councillor you are going to take some crap because it does strike as being very hypocritical. I wonder what’s his view of grammar schools are? Sending your child to private school but campaigning for the abolition of grammars schools would be a no no.
Personally, I’m not a fan of private schools as they get the results by setting very high entry criteria, having small classes and providing one to one tutoring. That makes it hard to fail. Burgess hill school for girls is a prime example.
My other bug bear is the the teachers pensions is picked up by the tax payer. If the private schools were to do this then they’d go out of business.
I’m not a fan of academies but more in that they seem to feel the need to have a ECO on ridiculous money .....
Oh and the daily mail can f**k off, it can take the rest of the rags with it.
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Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
- 8,866
our opinions differ ....
Indeed.
Largely because I've based mine on what he has actually said, and you've based yours on what you've chosen to believe he thinks.
I think you have highlighted a Daily Fail own goal here. Due to the lack of actual 'railing'.
Is the Daily Fail opposed to private schools?
Are private schools illegal or immoral?
Are all 'Corbynistas' supposed to have one view on everything?
Are all labour council people and parliamentarians 'Corbynistas' for generally following the party line on most matters?
Will all conservative council people and partiamentarians automatically become Borisistas (or Borisazis, to match the insinuation that labour types are 'istas' like the Sandinistas)?
If you read the daily Fail, does this automatically make you a Borisazi?
These are important questions that require answer and NOW!
Back on planet earth, certainly that peculiar labour woman whose name momentarily escapes me, hefty black woman and former school chum of the telly tory in the pastel suits whose name also escapes me, sent her kid to private school and was rightly pilloried for hypocrisy (she was and is a 'railer' of wince-inducing proportions). In this instance, however, this looks like nothing more than rabid blue dog whistling. A bit careless, OP
100% this
Stumpy Tim
Well-known member
That's exactly WHY I send my kids to private school. I went to state school and did perfectly fine, but it's hard to fail at private school
Lower West Stander
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It is about how the story has been spun. It is reliant on an assumption of the bloke's stances that have never been declared, unjustified inference from that, false logic and preposterous conclusions
May as well say that anyone who votes labour is a hypocrite if they watch privatised ITV, or travel using anything other than public transport.
Edit, it would be wrong to infer from my comments that I think this bloke is saintly, correct in all his views, prime minister material, and that the UK should become communist right now, and that anyone who does not contribute to the collective food basket by growing and donating their own vegetables should be shot. Don't want anyone getting funny ideas.
No.
The basis behind the report was that the bloke wants rid of private money in education but sends his daughter to a private school. It is his choice to do this. If I get a train into work it is because I have to or watch TV it is because ITV is automatically tuned - these are ridiculous comparisons.
In what way is this false logic? Does the guy support private education? Are you seriously trying to say that he doesn't support academies but is perfectly comfortable with schools like Roedean? That in, itself, is hypocritical.
Corbynistas love to blame everything on the "right wing media" but from reading the posts in this thread it seems people are more concerned with going after the Daily Mail for reporting this than the guy himself for his hypocrisy.
Can you please point out the part where he has said he 'wants rid of private money in education'?
Do people REALLY think that the conversion of state schools factory-farm academies, by private profit-making companies, and the centuries-old private school system are in ANY way comparable?
Rodney Thomas
Well-known member
To me there seems like two options: someone who has no idea of the Academy Schools policy (started by Labour and modified beyond recognition by the Conservatives) or someone who is choosing not to understand to fit their own agenda.
Of course it's not hypocritical. Roedean is a private insitution and was set up as a private institution. What Childs is against is the forced privatisation of public assets. They're two completely different concepts.
I agree with Simster, this thread does show exactly why charlatans like Johnson and Farage are doing well. Too many people are ignorant of facts or are able to follow a coherent argument. I've argued before that philosophy (and logic in particular) should be taught in schools, there'd be a lot less loose thinking
southstandandy
WEST STAND ANDY
- Jul 9, 2003
- 6,047
One less child to be educated and paid for by the state. He's doing us tax payers a favour!