[Politics] Corbyn Party?

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

All things considered - Corbyn upsetting Gammons is still a good thing.

He doesn't, though. They laugh at him because they think he's an arse. Gammons hate Starmer - because he's a threat.

 

[Weststander]

If these constituencies did return a UTwat MP..... which side of the house would they sit?

Would they sit opposite the hated Starmer who refused to throw Israel into the sea?

Or would they sit opposite the party that openly and unconditionally supports Israel?

Decisions....decisions....innit.

(Any constituency returning a UTwat MP would be very much welcome to them, in my view, and a candidate constituency for reduced public funding. But I can't see even the ones westy listed being mad enough to machine gun themselves in the face, Hamas style).

He might even hoover up some old working class Red Wall votes, from his career long dislike of the EEC/EC/EU.

 

[dejavuatbtn]

Starmer, unfortunately, appears to be the only option. Corbyn can do one - he’s burnt his bridges. Sunak offering tax cuts is scraping the barrel. They’re all bloody useless, it is, as Potter used to say, the small margins.

 

[peterward]

These breakaways always seem to fizzle out in short time …. a lack of resources, folk bottle giving up little fiefdoms.

The Labour party is a proud movement, steeped in tradition who have been responsible for many good ideas and firsts in our national history and have championed the working classes. It may not always get it right, but it stands for something and means something.

Why would any right minded person leave the Labour party to follow a failed and disgraced ex leader, who presided over rampant anti semitism, has extremely questionable links, engages with terrorists, has displayed woeful levels of anti UK mis-judgement. The lunatic who really praised, totally corrupt and bankrupt venezula as a model to aspire to.

I think Starmer is a bit of a bland wet lettuce, but he has positoned the Labour party to be electable, to sit where the majority sit.

Are hard left socialists really typecasting Business or enterprise as the enemy of the state whilst championing a nutjob like Corbyn?

In the real world, true social justice costs money. Money that needs to come from somwhere and be sustainable.

Give me a Starmer type pragmatist over a Corbyn type fantacist any day.

 

[A1X]

He doesn't, though. They laugh at him because they think he's an arse. Gammons hate Starmer - because he's a threat.

Exactly. This is why they’re trying so desperately to make mud stick, like the recent thing about “he supports terrorists because he defended terrorists in court” thing, which anyone with half a brain realised was total bollocks.

With Corbyn they didn’t have to, he had a back catalogue of gaffes, faux pas and general ineptitude they could dip into, and he added to it on an almost weekly basis.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He might even hoover up some old working class Red Wall votes, from his career long dislike of the EEC/EC/EU.

But he even f***ed that up, by saying he was 70% in favour of remaining. Not enough to help the remain campaign properly, and more than enough to annoy the Brexit nutters.

I think the red wall feels betrayed by Johnson/Truss/Sunk and, if not favourably inclined towards the tories, will vote labour rather than UTwit/UTwat (can't decide what the best name for them is yet). Going from Johnson to Corbyn is a step too far even for these simple, humble, hard-working (men and women and their families) northern folk, I suspect.

 

[ManOfSussex]

He doesn't, though. They laugh at him because they think he's an arse. Gammons hate Starmer - because he's a threat.

Fair point. Reading The Sunday Times today - along with The Times it's gone full on right wing attack mode for The Tories like The Telegraph and Mail etc. Lib Dems are fair game again now. As Starmer acknowledges, it's going to get ugly this year.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Fair point. Reading The Sunday Times today - along with The Times it's gone full on right wing attack mode for The Tories like The Telegraph and Mail etc. Lib Dems are fair game again now. As Starmer acknowledges, it's going to get ugly this year.

I don't read the papers. That choreographed circle-jerk is disappointing, if not surprising. Bit odd nevertheless that these paper owners feel that Starmer is such a threat. He must be way to the left of the Blair that some of them backed in 87, in their eyes A bit odd, too that they think all will be well (for them) with Sunk in charge. Does that mean he's know to them as a paid-up member of the venal money-grub gang? Perhaps it does.

Oh well. f*** 'em. 'Ordinary' people still have a vote, thankfully.

Hope all's well with you, BTW. Always a pleasure to read your witterings .

 

[Weststander]

But he even f***ed that up, by saying he was 70% in favour of remaining. Not enough to help the remain campaign properly, and more than enough to annoy the Brexit nutters.

I think the red wall feels betrayed by Johnson/Truss/Sunk and, if not favourably inclined towards the tories, will vote labour rather than UTwit/UTwat (can't decide what the best name for them is yet). Going from Johnson to Corbyn is a step too far even for these simple, humble, hard-working (men and women and their families) northern folk, I suspect.

He was lying. The proclaimed conviction politician thought being duplicitous in 2019 would fool Remainers and Brexiteers into both voting for him. Wrong. He’d spent 40+ years criticizing the “capitalist club” and opposing I think every EU integration bill.

 

[borat]

Some of the Starmer devotees

 

[ManOfSussex]

I don't read the papers. That choreographed circle-jerk is disappointing, if not surprising. Bit odd nevertheless that these paper owners feel that Starmer is such a threat. He must be way to the left of the Blair that some of them backed in 87, in their eyes A bit odd, too that they think all will be well (for them) with Sunk in charge. Does that mean he's know to them as a paid-up member of the venal money-grub gang? Perhaps it does.

Oh well. f*** 'em. 'Ordinary' people still have a vote, thankfully.

Hope all's well with you, BTW. Always a pleasure to read your witterings .

If Starmer becomes PM there's a chance some people have to pay some tax, hence the jitters I guess, or so they may think. All the best to you as well.

 

[T.G]

It depends how anti-semitic you want to be.

Will you apologise with everyone else that's falsely accused him of this ridiculous smear?

 

[Weststander]

Will you apologise with everyone else that's falsely accused him of this ridiculous smear?

Here we go again.

The independent report from the EHRC found widespread anti semitism in the LP under his leadership and political interference from his office to block legal due process.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-of-the-ehrc-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism

Why would the LP do that in his reign? Protect old anti semitic chums?

 

[T.G]

Here we go again.

The independent report from the EHRC found widespread anti semitism in the LP under his leadership and political interference from his office to block legal due process.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-of-the-ehrc-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism

Why would the LP do that in his reign? Protect old anti semitic chums?

Your going with the Guardian on this Corbyn was undermined from within that's why we haven't seen the Forde Report. The assertion that he himself was anti-Semitic is totally ridiculous.

 

[London Irish]

If rumours are true then JC might just launch a new proper socialist party for those not satisfied with Starmers Labour option. Could this split the left vote enough to stop an overall majority for anyone, or just let the Conservatives in through the back door?

They are not true

 

[Ethelwulf]

No chance . The tories will be wiped out 1997 style

 

[London Irish]

Here we go again.

The independent report from the EHRC found widespread anti semitism in the LP under his leadership and political interference from his office to block legal due process.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-of-the-ehrc-inquiry-into-labour-antisemitism

Why would the LP do that in his reign? Protect old anti semitic chums?

Except people like you who make these points ever state what the “interference” actually was. And there’s a reason for that. The interference was Corbyn’s office trying to press the dysfunctional Labour bureaucracy into speeding up an antisemitism disciplinary case because they believed Livingstone had made unacceptable statements that weren’t being dealt with quickly enough.

The background is that Labour’s disciplinary bureaucracy was fully in control of the Labour Right until 2018, ie. The majority of time Corbyn was leader. It was their negligence that was responsible for the delay in dealing with the small number of antisemitism cases in the party.

Antisemitism is a very serious issue. The fact that it’s being cheapened by being used as a hobby horse to attack politicians whose political ideas you don’t like is an utter disgrace and in the long run will only weaken defence of Jewish communities in this country from prejudice and racism

 

[borat]

Your going with the Guardian on this Corbyn was undermined from within that's why we haven't seen the Forde Report. The assertion that he himself was anti-Semitic is totally ridiculous.

Unfortunately being supportive of Palestinian rights easily attracts the liberally wielded anti-semitism smears (as we are witnessing during current events). Was a convenient (and successful) tool for the Labour right and Tories.

 

[London Irish]

He doesn't, though. They laugh at him because they think he's an arse. Gammons hate Starmer - because he's a threat.

lol Starmer adopts all of their prejudices. His rhetoric against immigrants promises to be “tougher” on them than the Tories. Old fashioned racism is back and dominating our political system. The demise of Corbyn dragged British politics rapidly to the right

 

[Muhammad - I’m hard - Bruce Lee]

The Labour party is a proud movement, steeped in tradition who have been responsible for many good ideas and firsts in our national history and have championed the working classes. It may not always get it right, but it stands for something and means something.

Why would any right minded person leave the Labour party to follow a failed and disgraced ex leader, who presided over rampant anti semitism, has extremely questionable links, engages with terrorists, has displayed woeful levels of anti UK mis-judgement. The lunatic who really praised, totally corrupt and bankrupt venezula as a model to aspire to.

I think Starmer is a bit of a bland wet lettuce, but he has positoned the Labour party to be electable, to sit where the majority sit.

Are hard left socialists really typecasting Business or enterprise as the enemy of the state whilst championing a nutjob like Corbyn?

In the real world, true social justice costs money. Money that needs to come from somwhere and be sustainable.

Give me a Starmer type pragmatist over a Corbyn type fantacist any day.

Excellent post.
I have been a member of the Labour Party for as long as I can remember.
Had a brief hiatus during the Corbyn years, resigning my membership because the guy is a total nut job.
He aligned himself with terrorists and alienated himself, and the Labour Party from the general public.
I rejoined as soon as he left, him and his momentum cronies kept this shit show of a Tory party in power far longer than was good for this country.
While Starmer isn’t the most charismatic leader, at least he is electable and (I know a lot on this board won’t agree), the only hope for this country is a labour government.

Don’t bother quoting this and goading me into an argument if you don’t agree with me cos I won’t get involved, I’m not here for a political debate, just stating my opinion.