[Politics] Corbyn Party?

[el punal]

Calling @Dr. No

Anyway, the soppy old **** is so disorganized he's more likely to launch himself into a hedge than launch a new political party..

Could call it UTwit if he's looking for a name for it.

Er, looking for a hedge fund to finance it?

 

[London Irish]

His broad church presumably including positions of power for McDonald and Wrong-Daily as well as rampant anti-semitism and Momentum attempting to take over candidate lists?

He's damned by his actions however convincing you find his words.

There wasn't rampant antisemitism in the party. Any more than criticising Israel now for its daily genocide of civilians in Gaza is rampant antisemitism.

250 people torn limb from limb by Israeli bombs yesterday. And no one does a single thing about it. What a world

(Starmer last month sacked Labour front benchers who voted for a ceasefire in Parliament)

 

[Guinness Boy]

Centrism is an ideology I'm afraid. In the past 30 years it's kept all the rightwing shit that Thatcher did to this country in place, which is why no one can buy a house, our public services are a shitheap, our kids grow up with limited choices and the rich get richer at our expense. Starmer will keep all that in place, it won't be any different to the last 40 years. That's what he's promised the Tory newspaper barons

Plenty of people can buy houses or the market would have collapsed. Public services improved incredibly well under Blair (the NHS was FAR better then than it is now) and the sort of progressive EDI policies that Joey Barton hates mean our kids get plenty of choices and should genuinely be considered for a role they're good at even if they are BAME, female, LGBTQ+, first in the family to get a degree or have a neurodiverse diagnosis (put into place by private industry who know they need a range of thoughts and educationists desperate to give disadvantaged kids a chance).

But, yes, a reasonably liberal economic strategy with lower taxation will be part of any government in this country because that's what people want. This is why socialism tends to revert away from democracy to control.

 

[deletebeepbeepbeep]

After the complete shitshow that's taken place since 2015 I'd settle for a stable period of good leadership, gravitas and sensible centerism and it's clear the country agrees with me.

The last thing we need is another five years of ideology first, fringe politics driven by the minority wing of a parliamentary party.

The problem is in 5 years time we will end up with just that, a rabid right wing populist movement fueled by 'sensible' people in suits 'talking down the working man' as stoked up by Patel/Braverman etc.

 

[Guinness Boy]

The problem is in 5 years time we will end up with just that, a rabid right wing populist movement fueled by 'sensible' people in suits 'talking down the working man' stoked up by Patel/Braverman etc.

Whereas Corbyn couldn't even put a break in it.

The man of the people lost working class votes across some of the most deprived places in England.

 

[London Irish]

The problem is in 5 years time we will end up with just that, a rabid right wing populist movement fueled by 'sensible' people in suits 'talking down the working man' as stoked up by Patel/Braverman etc.

That is indeed the BIG worry, what will follow the inevitable rapid disillusion with Starmer's record, he doesn't have the late 90s boom that Blair had to do some easy things.

But anyway I'm hogging the discussion too much here, back to chasing away tickets for my lad

 

[sparkie]

As long as the Corbyn Party has a happy atmosphere I'm loving it.

 

[Weststander]

Whereas Corbyn couldn't even put a break in it.

The man of the people lost working class votes across some of the most deprived places in England.

He 'forgot' to be clear with them that he too didn't like the EU. Dopey old sod.

 

[WATFORD zero]

What you are going to get is five years of something like a cross between John Major and David Cameron. Every Labour policy has been dumped by Starmer in his pursuit of Tory swing voters. If that's what you want, then I'm pleased for you. You'll forgive those of us who actually want some policies to address Britain's problems going on and looking for alternatives

Good luck with that because under Britain's current FPTP two party system you have two hopes and Bob's been gone for over 20 years. So, it's your choice to either compromise and vote for one of the two choices or carry on yelling at the wind.

The one thing that you can be certain of is that voting will have more effect on Britain's problems than yelling, but it's your call

 

[Guinness Boy]

Nice to see the adults back in the room.

 

[ROSM]

That is indeed the BIG worry, what will follow the inevitable rapid disillusion with Starmer's record, he doesn't have the late 90s boom that Blair had to do some easy things.

But anyway I'm hogging the discussion too much here, back to chasing away tickets for my lad

Hogging the discussion yet selectively choosing the points you ignore and the ones you answer.

I know we can all be guilty of that but it has been so very obvious on this thread and the ones directly responding to you that you have ignored.

I get it, you believed that a naive old man who sees the best in everyone has regularly accidentally found himself in situations where his allies have done things directly against his own values and whereby he mistakenly looks like he lays wreaths and doesnt realise the people he supports or pictures he stands in front of or books he writes forewards to could be considered anti semitic or supporting holocaust deniers. And that despite these accidents he could galvanise a country and international allies to change the world for the better.

I actually still voted Labour in 2017 and 2019 as i thought a) he would still be better than the tories and b) he was such a naive fool that others who knew what they were doing (and i include mcdonnell in this) would work round him. This was despite seeing some of the nastiest behaviour in british politics from momentum backed indivduals in local parties

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

There wasn't rampant antisemitism in the party. Any more than criticising Israel now for its daily genocide of civilians in Gaza is rampant antisemitism.

250 people torn limb from limb by Israeli bombs yesterday. And no one does a single thing about it. What a world

(Starmer last month sacked Labour front benchers who voted for a ceasefire in Parliament)

<sigh> What do you suggest? We have discussed this to 15 decimal places, including why individual parties in the UK ordering Israel to stop is pointless.

Meanwhile, my (former) Corbyn-supporting union passed a motion to boycott Israel and anyone dealing with Israel, 2 years ago. There was a lovely picture of union members picketing for equal pay for female academics (which they already have, by law) a couple of years ago, with Corbyn joining them for a photo OP. I have never seen such grins of joy since David Cassidy visited St Trinians.

I think you'll find the MPs who did not follow the party line founced. A number of muslim and left wing labour councillors have certainly flounced. Perhaps they will commemorate their flounce with a new mural in East London.

Everyone in my former union, and no doubt these flouncing MPs, are feeling enormously self-satisfied, and we should certainly thank them for keeping the genocide down to a minimum. Oh, hang on....

 

[London Irish]

Hogging the discussion yet selectively choosing the points you ignore and the ones you answer.

I know we can all be guilty of that but it has been so very obvious on this thread and the ones directly responding to you that you have ignored.

I get it, you believed that a naive old man who sees the best in everyone has regularly accidentally found himself in situations where his allies have done things directly against his own values and whereby he mistakenly looks like he lays wreaths and doesnt realise the people he supports or pictures he stands in front of or books he writes forewards to could be considered anti semitic or supporting holocaust deniers. And that despite these accidents he could galvanise a country and international allies to change the world for the better.

I actually still voted Labour in 2017 and 2019 as i thought a) he would still be better than the tories and b) he was such a naive fool that others who knew what they were doing (and i include mcdonnell in this) would work round him. This was despite seeing some of the nastiest behaviour in british politics from momentum backed indivduals in local parties

I don't have to reply to everyone. Even replying to those I did this afternoon meant I missed my daily 5k run in Preston Park. I'm literally fatter and unhealthier having opened this thread today - gimme a break.

Thinking about it I probably bent the stick replying more to Guinness Boy because we usually have fairly shitty exchanges full of personal remarks but this one was I'm glad to say fairly respectful, even tho we'll never agree in a million years, that's pretty good we both deserve that

 

[ROSM]

I don't have to reply to everyone. Even replying to those I did this afternoon meant I missed my daily 5k run in Preston Park. I'm literally fatter and unhealthier having opened this thread today - gimme a break

You dont have to. But it tells a great story when you dont.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

I don't have to reply to everyone. Even replying to those I did this afternoon meant I missed my daily 5k run in Preston Park. I'm literally fatter and unhealthier having opened this thread today - gimme a break.

Thinking about it I probably bent the stick replying more to Guinness Boy because we usually have fairly shitty exchanges full of personal remarks but this one was I'm glad to say fairly respectful, even tho we'll never agree in a million years, that's pretty good we both deserve that

Exactly the sort of organisational skills that will always keep the left out of power.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Good luck with that because under Britain's current FPTP two party system you have two hopes and Bob's been gone for over 20 years. So, it's your choice to either compromise and vote for one of the two choices or carry on yelling at the wind.

The one thing that you can be certain of is that voting will have more effect on Britain's problems than yelling, but it's your call

I agree.

Sorry to derail the thread. You probably noticed I have antibodies to electoral systems that aren't FPTP, and no matter how many times it is explained to me how much fairer it is to have a single transferable vote (I have actually got this clear in my tiny pointy head), I remain unconvinced that more fairness is what we really need.

There is the obvious objection (that it would be fairer if the people who support a Marxist, fascist , militant Islamic, orthodox Christian or whatever perspective had some representation). Somehow I find it hard to become remotely exercised by this shocking disenfranchisement. I don't care. Sorry.

Moving on from fairness, I am aware that some people argue that with PR no one party can dominate so you usually end up with a coalition. But in the UK that will either be a coalition of the tories and whatever version of the BNP, ulster unionists and other mavericks can agree a pact (perm red for the left version) or we will end up with endless wishy-washy 'consensus' politics that disenfranchises all those who feel we should be more 'free market' or more 'social justice'. I accept this works in Germany, but after the national shame of national socialism, Germans have been invested to make the system (we?) imposed on them after the war work. Brits, undefeated since 1066, are still unbroken (like a wild horse) and bridle at fundamental change.

Anyway, I don't really know why I bother mithering about this because turkeys, having been elected by FPTP, don't vote for Christmas. And indeed the tories 'doubling down' to the right of the spectrum doesn't seem to be working, and what goes around....f*** me! It comes around again! Hopefully.

Apologies for the outburst.

 

[aolstudios]

You don't get to claim the Irish card if you don't give a f*** about what the community went through here

You don't make rules for me, sonny. Sorry.
I give plenty of fucks. I just won't support a useless, thick, tankie, career long obsessive racist (who sinn fein had to tell to stfu during the peace process)
Hope this helps
(my background is far from 'settler', as you charmingly put it, btw)

 

[WATFORD zero]

You don't make rules for me, sonny. Sorry.
I give plenty of fucks. I just won't support a useless, thick, tankie, career long obsessive racist (who sinn fein had to tell to stfu during the peace process)
Hope this helps
(my background is far from 'settler', as you charmingly put it, btw)

I'm guessing you're a little bit less aggressive in real life

 

[London Irish]

You dont have to. But it tells a great story when you dont.

Make a case that's interesting. All I can associate you with is these inconsequential quips

You don't make rules for me, sonny. Sorry.
I give plenty of fucks. I just won't support a useless, thick, tankie, career long obsessive racist (who sinn fein had to tell to stfu during the peace process)
Hope this helps
(my background is far from 'settler', as you charmingly put it, btw)

lol you are now claiming Sinn Fein cred? Just whose politics will you steal next, given all you have is these wooden insults?

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

To simplify things the Corby Party and Reform will cancel each other out leaving the rest to get on with it.