Coppell or McGhee?

[itszamora]

I'm not trying to say either was/is better, just suggesting thatwe may be a little worse off financially this time round - which would make logical sense considering the 2 extra seasons at Withdean, extra inquiry session and the fact the A&K appeal has been launched.

Also, last time we signed these players, which is a big difference from being linked with/offered them. Perhaps wages were one of the reasons these deals didn't go through?

 

[Uncle Buck]

Do you really think we would pay all of his salary?

I notice you don't mention how Coppell made good use of Virgo as a defender let alone a striker.

Coppell has gone why harp back. If so why not compare him to Steve Gritt and the resources he had?

But then why should he have made use of Virgo? At the time we had Cullip, Blackwell and Imgarmarson (sp), all doing a good job, with experience (including in 2 cases of International football at various levels) or a young Virgo?

 

[CHAPPERS]

We were offered Owusu - Abeyie on loan

Were we? Did they actually offer him to us?

When?

 

[sargi1]

Coppell or McGhee

Mc Ghee

Got us promoted by play offs

Coppell

Got us relegated

i'd go for McGhee

And Coppell was manager of Crystal Palace

 

[Ex Shelton Seagull]

I thought Arsenal wouldn't let us have Owusu-Abeyie? At least that was the report in the Argus (for what it's worth). I can't why Arsenal would let one of their best young players go on loan to a struggling Championship side. They prefer to let their best youngsters go on loan to Premiership clubs, like David Bentley at Norwich, Jermaine Pennant to Leeds last season.

 

[Saint Lennard]

But then why should he have made use of Virgo? At the time we had Cullip, Blackwell and Imgarmarson (sp), all doing a good job, with experience (including in 2 cases of International football at various levels) or a young Virgo?

But when Imgarmarson had gone and whilst Blackwell was injured he still "didnt rate him". Accepted he was two tears younger then. But even players like Hinsh have come on leaps and bounds with MM. I am not convinced Coppelll would have developed them and given them a chance. Doesn't make him a bad manager just different.

 

[Uncle Buck]

But when Imgarmarson had gone and whilst Blackwell was injured he still "didnt rate him". Accepted he was two tears younger then. But even players like Hinsh have come on leaps and bounds with MM. I am not convinced Coppelll would have developed them and given them a chance. Doesn't make him a bad manager just different.

I find this not developing players a myth. When Coppell came in, he played Hinsh (Derby away springs to mind) and the opening game of last season at Oldham Hinsh started in a 3 mand defence with Cullip and Mayo. Butters came in when we had a central defender crisis and when Cullip was fit, Hinsh for a while was moved to right back. Now at the beginning of last season Coppell was starting to blood Harding, he started in place of Jones at Plymouth. It was also Coppell that gave Robinson his debut at the Smoggies in the League Cup.

This thing about Coppell and not giving the young players a chance is a bit of a myth. When we were in Division 1 he decided the best route was to go with experience and it nearly worked (and you cannot blame him for the 12 game run) and last season he was introducing these youngsters, it just happens, he did not rate Virgo (managers have always had the odd one they do not rate) and so people say he did not play the youngsters.

 

[Stinky Kat]

I like 'em both Coppell nearly cleared up the Hinchelwood debacle and left us at the top of Div 2.

Hionest Jock got us promoted and may keep us in this division on peanuts which IMHO should win him manager of the year

 

[fatboy]

Mark McGhee is yet to sign Daniel Webb.

Or send Kuipers to Hull and sign Ross Flitney.

 

[Stinky Kat]

Mark McGhee is yet to sign Daniel Webb.

Or send Kuipers to Hull and sign Ross Flitney.

I thought McGhee did send Kuipers to Hull last season?

 

[Pavilionaire]

Coppell did a good job under difficult circumstances. However, I wouldn't say he was brilliant manager; somebody like Dowie would have cemented a play-off place for Reading by now.

McGhee has been dealt a considerably worse hand than Coppell because of the retirements, injuries and the worsening cash position. He has done a great job just to give us a chance of staying up.

If we stay up it will be a remarkable achievment and a testament to McGhee's management of the club.

Much depends upon the manner of our performances over the next 4 matches. Do these players really want to play for McGhee or not?

 

[silky1]

Give me McGhee any day.

If Coppell was a great manager, he would have kept us up. He go the best out o Leon Knight, but that was in the division below, which we still went on to get promoted from (not a bad achievement for a team only just relegated).
Coppell has also failed to do much more at Reading than Pardew managed, they don't even look certainties to make the play offs.

McGhee may appear more laid back in public, but I bet he can motivate the players better than Coppell, and it is the job of the supporter to do the worrying, not the manager who should be keeping an eye on the bigger picture.

If we had Coppel still I would guess we would be in no better position than we currently are.

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

I think Mcghee would quite like to work with Sidwell, Ingimarsson, Zamora, Simon Rodger, Dean Blackwell etc.

Times and places. You cannot compare the two. What I am sure of is that if Coppell had got through to about Christmas he would have done the offski, left us in the umwa and then we would have had to get on with Booker, Hinshelkwood trying to run things as no other manager would really want to come in with all the uncertainty surrounding our situation.

Mcghee? Knows what we need to do, happy to work under the restraints and has us in with a shout with 4 games to go, with a collection of kids, non league players and players no-one else in our league will give a game to.

Fancy Coppell getting us out of trouble with that as his hand?

I f***ing don't.

 

[itszamora]

I thought McGhee did send Kuipers to Hull last season?

That was Coppell I think.

 

[fatboy]

I thought McGhee did send Kuipers to Hull last season?

Was it McGhee?

My mistake, sorry.

 

[Pavilionaire]

You can compare the two because they both have track records and have various highs and lows to their name.

Clearly Coppell has achieved more in his time as a manager and has the more impressive CV. I don't think there are many manager who could keep a team up that's just lost 10 in a row.

 

[Stinky Kat]

Was it McGhee?

My mistake, sorry.

To be honest I cannot remember, it all seems so long ago. I remember Kuipers in goal at Coppell's last game at rushden and Flitney in goal v the cheats later that year so I think Kuipers went to Hull when Roberts had a run of fitness last season but came back cause taylor would not pay for him.

Remember Adams substituting Kuipers at Southend and i remmember being a fully paid up member of the Mark cartwright fan club, until Cheltenham anyway.

 

[Ex Shelton Seagull]

Kuipers went to Hull at the end of August 2004. He played 3 games for Hull and came back after the 16th of September. Flitney played in goal against Chesterfield that night because Kuipers couldn't be recalled in time. Kuipers then played against Sheffield Wednesday on the 20th.

All whilst Coppell was manager.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

MCGHEE MCGEE MCGEE MCGEE

No question.

 

[Rookie]

Coppell for me, when he left we were sitting top of Div 2 (as then) McGhee just about got us in to play offs and a bit of luck here and there got us promoted, although wouldn't change cardiff for anything ever.
Not entirely happy with McGhee use of players either, but he is the man here and will support him if that is what he belives is best for the club.