"Community Club"

[Trigger]

ARGH, HE IS GONE, GET OVER IT!!!

 

[London Irish]

II'm going through a hazy memory bank here and am struggling to remember any saves or decent efforts on the Crewe goal after the third went in.

We had the majority of the play after 3-1 and decent chances by Robinson and Lynch. The fourth Crewe goal was a breakaway with our players committed up the pitch and Crewe getting in behind us.

 

[London Irish]

ARGH, HE IS GONE, GET OVER IT!!!

I will support McGhee's successor as well as you, have no fear of that

 

[Albion Rob]

You have some cheek mentioning context, don't you? You fail to mention the pretty important context that Adams' failed play-off run was in League 2, a division where we were not only competing on a level playing field with other clubs, but actually had more than most. And the vast majority of McGhee's game were two leagues higher in the Championship, a division where the board never equipped him with money to compete in and who sold from under him the few players like Adam Virgo who managed to do well for us.

Context? Revisionism? Abomination?

I hope I speak for many when I point out that most of us can handle the fact we were relegated. Yes, we were very small fish in a reservoir but what people will not stand for is poor performances.. Players wandering round the pitch wondering what the tactics are this week. Fall outs with the few players who may have been able to get us somewhere. Toothless performances where a single shot is to be cheerded as if it was a goal.

Don't get me wrong, McGhee got it right at Palace anbd had a really bad bit of luck with Oatway but it then falls to the manager to try to replace such a player. He failed.

In terms of resources, Adams spent 100k on Bobby Zamora the year we went up. I've seen it suggested we paid a similar amount for Turienzo - I know who I'd rather have in the side. Actually, it would have been nice to have seen Turienzo - I think that goes for myself and McGhee.

Yes, McGhee was managing two divisions higher, but the players hsowed that year they can play badly and that it was up to Adams to crack the whip and get them plkaying.

It just didn't happen for McGhee last year and that rolled over into this season.

Sorry but it was time to go.

 

[Albion Rob]

We had the majority of the play after 3-1 and decent chances by Robinson and Lynch. The fourth Crewe goal was a breakaway with our players committed up the pitch and Crewe getting in behind us.

I'm tired with you now.

Look, the record book will show that Mark McGhee's penultimate laegue game resulted in a 4-1 defeat by the mighty Crewe Alexandra.

That's all future generations will need to know.

 

[Man of Harveys]

I'm tired with you now.

Look, the record book will show that Mark McGhee's penultimate laegue game resulted in a 4-1 defeat by the mighty Crewe Alexandra.

That's all future generations will need to know.

The fact that we were utter shite too may however be disputed by historians for years to come.

 

[Albion Rob]

The fact that we were utter shite too may however be disputed by historians for years to come.

And there endeth the debate.

 

[London Irish]

Players wandering round the pitch wondering what the tactics are this week.

Sorry, but comments like this are not serious and reveal a streak of irrationality and lack of fairness in your judgment of McGhee.

As for the Zamora-Turienzo parallel, yes, Adams had a Prem striker like Zamora operating in League 2 and McGhee was given Turienzo by Dick Knight.

That this situation should be used as a stick to beat McGhee with, I find perverse.

Oh, and this bit I thought was quite funny

Oh my god, you're so rude when someone doesn't agree with you.

I'm tired with you now.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Sorry, but comments like this are not serious and reveal a streak of irrationality and lack of fairness in your judgment of McGhee.

As for the Zamora-Turienzo parallel, yes, Adams had a Prem striker like Zamora operating in League 2 and McGhee was given Turienzo by Dick Knight.

That this situation should be used as a stick to beat McGhee with, I find perverse.

OK even if Knight did sign Turienzo rather than McGhee, McGhee still added strikers like CKR, Molango and McCammon to the squad who added very little to what we had and with the exception of Molango were part of the squad that got relegated.

 

[Albion Rob]

Oh, and this bit I thought was quite funny

Cool, thanks.

 

[London Irish]

OK even if Knight did sign Turienzo rather than McGhee, McGhee still added strikers like CKR, Molango and McCammon to the squad who added very little to what we had and with the exception of Molango were part of the squad that got relegated.

That's perfectly true, and it any of them had been Championship quality, it would have been fair to question McGhee why we did not remain in the Championship. But CKR was a novice with fitness and attitude problems (£55k), Malongo was a nobody who cost nothing and McCammon cost £10k, a journeyman like Revell who can contribute effectively in League 1 but who was never alone going to make the crucial difference to a squad not good enough to stay in the Championship.

To do the job, you need the tools to do the job, and McGhee was not given them, that's the bottom line.

 

[Les Biehn]

Has someone bounced an old thread. Please tell me they have.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Has someone bounced an old thread. Please tell me they have.

I think it's deja vu all over again. And probably will be again. Thank GOD there's a game tonight.

 

[Les Biehn]

I think it's deja vu all over again. And probably will be again. Thank GOD there's a game tonight.

Do you think? If we win there will be no end of threads about how MM was shit and LI is wrong, we lose and no end of LI saying how it just shows what MM was dealing with and how he was right.

I really hope we win but for the board I almost hope its a draw!

 

[London Irish]

Do you think? If we win no end threads about how MM was shit and LI is wrong, we lose and no end of LI saying how it just shows what MM was dealing with and how he was right.

I really hope we win but for the board I almost hope its a draw!

I don't think so - I desperately hope we win tonight because I don't want to hear the crowd get on the back of the players again.

Come on Deano

 

[Les Biehn]

I don't think so - I desperately hope we win tonight because I don't want to hear the crowd get on the back of the players again.

Come on Deano

I never said you didn't want us to win LI. I think you are just as committed as the next fan.

 

[Bozza]

But CKR was a novice with fitness and attitude problems (£55k), Malongo was a nobody who cost nothing and McCammon cost £10k, a journeyman like Revell who can contribute effectively in League 1 but who was never alone going to make the crucial difference to a squad not good enough to stay in the Championship.

It's somewhat naive to quote the cost of a player in terms of transfer fee alone. Moreso than ever before, the true cost of a player today is likely to be wages, rather than a headline transfer fee. And that is especially true with regard to where the Albion have to operate in the transfer market.

 

[Uncle Buck]

To do the job, you need the tools to do the job, and McGhee was not given them, that's the bottom line.

Coppell worked with similar constraints and yes his team got relegated, but it showed more form and battled as a team.

Also was it not McGhee that purchased CKR?

 

[Dave the OAP]

"As for the Zamora-Turienzo parallel, yes, Adams had a Prem striker like Zamora operating in League 2 and McGhee was given Turienzo by Dick Knight"

Sorry I cant let that one go...Zamora was plucked from Bristol Rovers and he has only now proved himself to be a premiership striker.aome 4 years later..so that argument is nonsence.

If DK signed Turienzo, then that is another argument that he knows bugger all about players and should leve it to the manager

 

[Uncle Buck]

"As for the Zamora-Turienzo parallel, yes, Adams had a Prem striker like Zamora operating in League 2 and McGhee was given Turienzo by Dick Knight"

Sorry I cant let that one go...Zamora was plucked from Bristol Rovers and he has only now proved himself to be a premiership striker.aome 4 years later..so that argument is nonsence.

If DK signed Turienzo, then that is another argument that he knows bugger all about players and should leve it to the manager

But then the manager goes and signs McCammon and Molango...